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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 951480 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #240 on: July 05, 2014, 10:39:12 PM »

See M'b 261:19 Where he brings down the source that it is mideorayso.
this is only after shkiah I want to know about before shkiah

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #241 on: July 06, 2014, 07:51:00 PM »
What does halocha say regarding:

a) Can one do what 6 yidden allegedly did in Israel?
b) what if anything should we do about it?

Both bizmaneinu, and at a time when beis din smuchim has power in eretz yisroel.

Please keep this to halocha and not involve any emotion.

ETA: Please give halachic sources.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #242 on: July 06, 2014, 08:35:01 PM »
What does halocha say regarding:

a) Can one do what 6 yidden allegedly did in Israel?
b) what if anything should we do about it?

Both bizmaneinu, and at a time when beis din smuchim has power in eretz yisroel.

Please keep this to halocha and not involve any emotion.
a) you serious??


(I mean halacha)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #243 on: July 06, 2014, 08:40:36 PM »
I asked a question - I did not make a statement. Please provide sources.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #244 on: July 06, 2014, 08:49:30 PM »
I asked a question - I did not make a statement. Please provide sources.
The question implies that you have a tzad the murdering a goy would be permitted. :o

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #245 on: July 06, 2014, 08:52:48 PM »
You did not provide a source.

In addition can you provide a source for this:

"These people are Rodfim and should be hung in the town square. Hashem yishmereinu."

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #246 on: July 06, 2014, 08:53:20 PM »
What does halocha say regarding:

a) Can one do what 6 yidden allegedly did in Israel?
b) what if anything should we do about it?

Both bizmaneinu, and at a time when beis din smuchim has power in eretz yisroel.

Please keep this to halocha and not involve any emotion.
a) Assur
b) Punish them to the full extent of the law.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #247 on: July 06, 2014, 08:57:29 PM »
Please provide a source, and what is the full extent of the law?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #248 on: July 06, 2014, 08:59:32 PM »
Please provide a source, and what is the full extent of the law?
A source that killing is Assur? You for real? :o

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #249 on: July 06, 2014, 09:29:02 PM »
Well, for example, lo tirtzach cannot be referring to this situation. We know that all aseres hadibros are issurim for which one is chayav misah - that's how we know lo tignov refers to kidnapping and not common theft. We also know, al pi halochah, that retzichah of an akum is not chayav misah, so i hope you did not mean that when you say "to the full extent of the law".

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #250 on: July 06, 2014, 10:06:08 PM »
Well, for example, lo tirtzach cannot be referring to this situation. We know that all aseres hadibros are issurim for which one is chayav misah - that's how we know lo tignov refers to kidnapping and not common theft. We also know, al pi halochah, that retzichah of an akum is not chayav misah, so i hope you did not mean that when you say "to the full extent of the law".
No. I meant the Israeli law.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #251 on: July 06, 2014, 10:07:13 PM »
Well, for example, lo tirtzach cannot be referring to this situation. We know that all aseres hadibros are issurim for which one is chayav misah - that's how we know lo tignov refers to kidnapping and not common theft. We also know, al pi halochah, that retzichah of an akum is not chayav misah, so i hope you did not mean that when you say "to the full extent of the law".
1+1=9999999999999999?
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #252 on: July 06, 2014, 10:17:59 PM »
Please provide a source, and what is the full extent of the law?
Don't have the full sources of hand but its silly to pose such a question. Just because they never taught hilchos retzichas akum in yeshiva it doesn't mean that it might be A OK.
 If triggering a third intifada, which is being mafkir Yisroel lemisa is not a rodef that beis din would drown in the mikva for, I don't know what is!

For now I'll leave you with that at minimum burning a child alive is tzar balei chayim. Just so you dont get any ideas ;)
#cant believe this

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #253 on: July 06, 2014, 11:04:59 PM »
No. I meant the Israeli law.

Israeli law provides for the death penalty.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #254 on: July 06, 2014, 11:16:35 PM »
Don't have the full sources of hand but its silly to pose such a question. Just because they never taught hilchos retzichas akum in yeshiva it doesn't mean that it might be A OK.
 If triggering a third intifada, which is being mafkir Yisroel lemisa is not a rodef that beis din would drown in the mikva for, I don't know what is!

For now I'll leave you with that at minimum burning a child alive is tzar balei chayim. Just so you dont get any ideas ;)
#cant believe this

a) he's not a child lihalocha.
b)Let's say that the israeli government would deal with an intifada with extremely harsh meathods - i.e. they eliminated anyone that would attempt harm to any jew, and would not worry at all about collateral damages, would many jews actually die? Would it then be a simple case of mafkir yisroel l'misah?
c) in eretz yisroel, a ger toshav is accepted only if they agree to all 7 bnei noach. Therefore any that would participate in this potential 3rd intifada are not acceptable as a ger toishav at a minimum, and would certainly be considered enemies of bnei yisroel. How were they dealt with when it was yad yisroel al ha'elyonah?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #255 on: July 07, 2014, 04:17:51 PM »
Timche es zecher Almalek. They were mikayem a mitzvah
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #256 on: July 07, 2014, 04:19:47 PM »

Timche es zecher Almalek. They were mikayem a mitzvah

How do you know he was an Amoleiki?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #257 on: July 07, 2014, 04:21:23 PM »
How do you know he was an Amoleiki?
Chazaka and Roiv
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #258 on: July 07, 2014, 04:23:51 PM »

Chazaka and Roiv

So what's your heter to leave the others alive?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #259 on: July 07, 2014, 04:34:43 PM »
So what's your heter to leave the others alive?
That is a much better question
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