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Author Topic: All Halocha Shailos and Tiffeh Questions  (Read 964425 times)

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #360 on: December 03, 2014, 10:44:36 AM »

Although there is a rule that stam keilim einam bnei yoman the Noda Biyehuda writes that in a setting where they are used over and over again each day such as a coffee house one cannot make such an assumption. In general, factories are not in the habit of leaving their equipment idle.
Very interesting, where can I find this Noda Biyehudah?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #361 on: December 03, 2014, 12:20:24 PM »
Not necessarily, according to the shach's understanding of the rem"a in sif 3, it may be a problem. Acc toThe shach the rema hold that you can't do iruy from milk kli to meat kli. He says that what the rema meant in beis when he said you can put something cooked in milk kli into Meat kli is only without iruy.
based on the above conversation he clearly wasn't talking about iruy

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #362 on: December 03, 2014, 12:27:27 PM »

based on the above conversation he clearly wasn't talking about iruy
He was talking about cooking which is worse. I only brought up iruy bc that's how the shach is,m'chalek between what the rema says in sif 2 &3

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #363 on: December 03, 2014, 12:50:49 PM »
He was talking about cooking which is worse. I only brought up iruy bc that's how the shach is,m'chalek between what the rema says in sif 2 &3
the eruy the shach is talking about is from kli basar to kli chalav.  He clearly doesn't have access to the kli chalav from the plant

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #364 on: December 03, 2014, 01:19:52 PM »

the eruy the shach is talking about is from kli basar to kli chalav.  He clearly doesn't have access to the kli chalav from the plant
and why is that different, the taz is michalek like you but that's a big chiddush and the shach clearly doesn't agree.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #365 on: December 03, 2014, 01:26:48 PM »
Very interesting, where can I find this Noda Biyehudah?
iirc out is brought in PT
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #366 on: December 03, 2014, 01:32:16 PM »
and why is that different, the taz is michalek like you but that's a big chiddush and the shach clearly doesn't agree.
he asked if he can heat up de food.that implies the food is currently cold.  But even if he already heated in a parve pot even the shach would agree that there is no problem simply bef. you have 3 n"t's

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #367 on: December 03, 2014, 01:46:56 PM »
intresting shaila:

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #368 on: December 03, 2014, 01:52:16 PM »

he asked if he can heat up de food.that implies the food is currently cold.  But even if he already heated in a parve pot even the shach would agree that there is no problem simply bef. you have 3 n"t's
I'm not fully following you here. Didn't you say that according to the rema it would be fine to heat the dairy equipment Food up in a meat kli? The shach clearly says this is not true, the only time that it's not an issue is if the food is not hot, (either at the time you put it in the kli our after). He says this to explain the rem"a that says later you can't pour from milk kli to meat kli, even though it's 3nat

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #369 on: December 03, 2014, 06:41:12 PM »
intresting shaila:

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The paper isn't shaimos
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #370 on: December 03, 2014, 06:43:03 PM »
Very interesting, where can I find this Noda Biyehudah?
Kama 36
It it's mentioned by PT YD 122:4 and quoted by the Yad Efraim there
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #371 on: December 03, 2014, 06:54:56 PM »
I'm not fully following you here. Didn't you say that according to the rema it would be fine to heat the dairy equipment Food up in a meat kli? The shach clearly says this is not true, the only time that it's not an issue is if the food is not hot, (either at the time you put it in the kli our after). He says this to explain the rem"a that says later you can't pour from milk kli to meat kli, even though it's 3nat
1. The shach himself is maikel.  He asking a stira in the rem"a 2. The shach clearly is asking from the rem"a by iruy mkli chalav lkli basar 3. As for an answer to the stira see pm"g which would limit the original question to a kli chalav and not a parve kli.

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #372 on: December 03, 2014, 06:55:11 PM »
I'm not fully following you here. Didn't you say that according to the rema it would be fine to heat the dairy equipment Food up in a meat kli? The shach clearly says this is not true, the only time that it's not an issue is if the food is not hot, (either at the time you put it in the kli our after). He says this to explain the rem"a that says later you can't pour from milk kli to meat kli, even though it's 3nat
IIRC that us only when it is both keilim at the same time
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #373 on: December 03, 2014, 07:43:13 PM »

1. The shach himself is maikel.  He asking a stira in the rem"a 2. The shach clearly is asking from the rem"a by iruy mkli chalav lkli basar 3. As for an answer to the stira see pm"g which would limit the original question to a kli chalav and not a parve kli.
IIRC that us only when it is both keilim at the same time
It seems like I understood the shach different than the 2 if you. Guess I gotta go learn it again, but from what I recall:
2. I agree he is asking from iruy but he doesn't learn like the taz in sif 3 that iruy makes it like the case of yorah choleves, hence he's disagreement with the rema, the reason he holds the rem"a assurs in that case it's bc it's Nat, bar Nat lisur.
3. The shach himself answers the stirah, that in sif 2 the rem"a wasnot taking about iruy,
As for what the shach himself holds, I recall that he is macmer like the mharshal. But we are discussing the rem"a

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #374 on: December 03, 2014, 10:14:52 PM »
It seems like I understood the shach different than the 2 if you. Guess I gotta go learn it again, but from what I recall:
2. I agree he is asking from iruy but he doesn't learn like the taz in sif 3 that iruy makes it like the case of yorah choleves, hence he's disagreement with the rema, the reason he holds the rem"a assurs in that case it's bc it's Nat, bar Nat lisur.
3. The shach himself answers the stirah, that in sif 2 the rem"a wasnot taking about iruy,
As for what the shach himself holds, I recall that he is macmer like the mharshal. But we are discussing the rem"a
been a while since a went over these inside, but iirc the issue in 3 is that it becomes basar bicholov before it becomes Nat bar Nat ala Ran
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All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #375 on: December 04, 2014, 09:59:56 AM »
been a while since a went over these inside, but iirc the issue in 3 is that it becomes basar bicholov before it becomes Nat bar Nat ala Ran
that's where I think we disagree , the shach asks on the rem"a. That this is not the case of the ram.Which leads me to believe that the shach doesn't learn like the taz that iruy from milk kli to meat kli is like yora choleves. In other words, he doesn't understand why, but he learns that the rem"a  assurs iruy from milk kli to meat kli even though it's not the rans case (yora choleves) therefore I don't see any distinction between iruy or bishul.
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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #376 on: December 04, 2014, 12:06:00 PM »
But there's still a diff. between kli choleves and parve kli to a kli basar

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #377 on: February 11, 2015, 02:49:58 PM »
Do you need to give maser on what you make selling points?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #378 on: February 11, 2015, 02:50:51 PM »
Do you need to give maser on what you make selling points?
What would be the Svarah not to?

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Re: All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions
« Reply #379 on: February 11, 2015, 02:51:35 PM »
Do you need to give maser on what you make selling points?
my rabbi said that you need to give maaser on anything, besides if you get a gift lets say to pay a specific bill then not.
What would be the Svarah not to?
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