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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2020, 11:27:43 PM »
Gets even harder to understand, when the connection between the passuk in the low part and high part is a mysterious Medrash:

וַיִּוָּתֵר יַעֲקֹב לְבַדּוֹ וַיֵּאָבֵק אִישׁ עִמּוֹ (דברים לג) אין כאל ישורון רוכב שמים בעזרך ר' ברכיה בשם ר"י בר' סימון אמר אין כאל ומי כאל ישורון הנאים והמשובחין שבכם אתה מוצא כל מה שהקב"ה עתיד לעשות לעת"ל הקדים ועשה על ידי הצדיקים בעוה"ז הקב"ה מחיה המתים ואליהו מחיה את המתים הקב"ה עוצר גשמים ואליהו עוצר גשמים הקב"ה מברך את המועט ואליהו מברך את המועט הקב"ה מחיה את המתים ואלישע מחיה את המתים הקב"ה פוקד עקרות ואלישע פוקד עקרות הקב"ה מברך את המועט ואלישע מברך את המועט הקב"ה ממתיק את המר ואלישע ממתיק את המר הקב"ה ממתיק את המר במר ואלישע המתיק את המר במר ר' ברכיה בשם ר' סימון אמר אין כאל ומי כאל ישורון ישראל סבא מה הקב"ה כתוב בו (ישעיהו ב) ונשגב ה' לבדו אף יעקב ויותר יעקב לבדו:
[בראשית רבה פרשה עז פיסקא א ]
The mashgiach discusses this medrash in a maamar

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2020, 12:24:26 AM »
While on the topic it would seem that a disproportionate amount of Jewish songs are from the first 2 perakim in brachos... It seems like they started daf yomi.... but only lasted about 2 weeks  :)

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2020, 12:39:08 AM »
He might have likes the way “hey hey” sounds.
Exactly. I always wondered when someone will compose a rock'n roll song on last week's Haftora (Shmos) "כי צו לצו צו לצו קו לקו קו לקו זעיר שם זעיר שם"

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2020, 01:53:24 AM »
I don’t want to be mean or anything, but the composer’s ameratzus is sometimes a factor. He might have likes the way “hey hey” sounds.

Bingo. If בן בג בג or בן הי הי were commonplace names like בן אברהם or something there’s no way they ever would have made it into a song. Same goes for the מימרות like יבא ידיד בן ידיד ויבנה ידיד etc.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2020, 07:59:22 AM »
Miami Boys Choir:

 ...כי  ה׳ אלקיך מתהלך בקרב מחנך להצילך ולתת איביך לפניך והיה מחניך קדוש

Referring to:
 ולא יראה בך ערות דבר ושב מאחרי
Of course sung by a bunch of boys gyrating and showing off to the girls.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2020, 08:04:06 AM »
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 08:13:57 AM »
(or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew)
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 08:27:47 AM »
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

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Thats what this thread is all about
Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 08:49:29 AM »
Thats what this thread is all about
Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
-1 There are plenty of non-Jewish tunes which have been used properly to bring out the meaning and feeling of appropriate things.

וא"ר יוחנן מ"ט דרשב"ג אמר קרא יפת אלהים ליפת וישכן באהלי שם דבריו של יפת יהיו באהלי שם ואימא גומר ומגוג א"ר חייא בר אבא היינו טעמא דכתיב יפת אלהים ליפת יפיותו של יפת יהא באהלי שם:


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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2020, 09:29:36 AM »
Of course sung by a bunch of boys gyrating and showing off to the girls.
Lol  couldn't of said it better
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2020, 10:24:52 AM »
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2020, 10:35:55 AM »
Lol  couldn't of* said it better
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2020, 10:42:15 AM »
Of course sung by a bunch of boys gyrating and showing off to the girls.
Taking it too far, they're young innocent boys

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2020, 10:44:56 AM »
Taking it too far, they're young innocent boys
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2020, 10:47:02 AM »
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