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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
Miami Boys Choir:

 ...כי  ה׳ אלקיך מתהלך בקרב מחנך להצילך ולתת איביך לפניך והיה מחניך קדוש

Referring to:
 ולא יראה בך ערות דבר ושב מאחרי
Yes, I always noticed this too. though it's talking about going to the bathroom, not dvar ervah.

Bingo. If בן בג בג or בן הי הי were commonplace names like בן אברהם or something there’s no way they ever would have made it into a song. Same goes for the מימרות like יבא ידיד בן ידיד ויבנה ידיד etc.
That's my assumption, they saw the success of ben bag bag and figured this would work well too
Yavo yedid is a nice memrah of chazal to sing about
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2020, 11:06:27 AM »
All of this is a distortion of Jewish music. Traditionally Jewish music has always been to use music to bring out the feeling of the words. Chazzanus was always a musical interpretation of the words. When anything goes as long as the words have some sort of Jewish source (or has no Jewish source but is simply sung by a Jew) this is where you start getting Shir Hashirim to put on sackcloth and complain about being made into a bar song.

"It's only precious if and when,
it brings us closer to Hashem"
True say. This is why it's always nice when someone can actually take a pasuk and write a song that really captures the essence of it. I'm a big fan of Rechnit'z "Ki Besimcha", it doesn't hurt that the singing is gorgeous as well.
ETA: Eitan Katz's "Ki Karov" is a beautiful one as well.
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2020, 11:14:28 AM »
Back in the day, there was a joke that the same composer of the OP's song made a song with the possuk of Avraham asking Eliezer to make a shvuah. Plenty of people hearing the song thought it was real.
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2020, 11:19:49 AM »
True say. This is why it's always nice when someone can actually take a pasuk and write a song that really captures the essence of it. I'm a big fan of Rechnit'z "Ki Besimcha", it doesn't hurt that the singing is gorgeous as well.
ETA: Eitan Katz's "Ki Karov" is a beautiful one as well.
There is a story that a student of Chazan Leibele Glantz once asked him to teach his Tfilas Tal. Chazan Glantz replied by telling him that he can't just teach it but that the student needs to first learn and understand tfilas tal, learn the history of the piyut and its author and only then would he be able to teach it to him. After the student did that and returned to him he tested the student on the piyut and then said to him "you know the piyut so well and you want me to teach you a nusach? If you know it well you should be making your own!"

Quite the opposite of the way MBD described how his songs get composed at a HASC concert.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2020, 12:44:10 PM »
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Of course sung by a bunch of boys gyrating and showing off to the girls.
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Led by someone older than them. Yes, I exaggerated.

Do you object to the choirs' having choreography in general, or are you
saying that the specific choreography performed is objectionable?
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2020, 02:14:14 PM »


Do you object to the choirs' having choreography in general, or are you
saying that the specific choreography performed is objectionable?
I was just commenting on te more general incongruence.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2020, 09:36:09 PM »
When my uncle died in 1995, another uncle (one of the aveilim) was telling a group of minachamim how the niftar hated songs that didn't fit the words, and loved songs that did fit. The example he gave of a song the niftar had hated was Al Tis'yaesh, by MBD, a very dramatic Chazal turned into a fast paced rock song. My uncle didn't realize that MBD was sitting 3 feet away from him paying a shiva call to my father. He apologized to MBD, who laughed and said he didn't need to apologize and wanted to hear what he had to say.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2020, 09:39:57 PM »
When my uncle died in 1995, another uncle (one of the aveilim) was telling a group of minachamim how the niftar hated songs that didn't fit the words, and loved songs that did fit. The example he gave of a song the niftar had hated was Al Tis'yaesh, by MBD, a very dramatic Chazal turned into a fast paced rock song. My uncle didn't realize that MBD was sitting 3 feet away from him paying a shiva call to my father. He apologized to MBD, who laughed and said he didn't need to apologize and wanted to hear what he had to say.
Believe it or not, that song inspires me in the inyan of Bitachon :-[

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2020, 09:57:57 PM »
Believe it or not, that song inspires me in the inyan of Bitachon :-[

I found myself singing it ;)

Harav Yehuda kalman Marlow ztl av beis din and moreh d'asra of crown heights told me to daily recite chapter 6 tehilim.

I think that sometimes that when we pray in despair we are reminded of it in a song we're kind of uplifts us

With that said, I value good chazanus to awaken the soul.. nishmas kol chai...

Birkas hachodesh done in duo style 🥰

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2020, 07:19:28 AM »
Sometimes the songwriter does it right, but consumers twist it after the fact. Fast paced doesn't always mean happy. For instance, Avraham Fried's Kach Es Sheli is sung in a way you can hear and feel the meaning of the words, but then people started playing it at weddings because of the tempo. That's not his fault.
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2020, 08:01:41 AM »
Sometimes the songwriter does it right, but consumers twist it after the fact. Fast paced doesn't always mean happy. For instance, Avraham Fried's Kach Es Sheli is sung in a way you can hear and feel the meaning of the words, but then people started playing it at weddings because of the tempo. That's not his fault.
Absolutely! You can hear that sith Sobol's productions of chazzanus and when he digitally changes (distorts) Yosselle. A classic example is when he makes "aval lo al yidei yosurim vichalaim roim" into a march.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2020, 11:28:32 AM »
Here is another one that stems from am haratzus.

Amos 8,11

הִנֵּ֣ה | יָמִ֣ים בָּאִ֗ים נְאֻם֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֔ה וְהִשְׁלַחְתִּ֥י רָעָ֖ב בָּאָ֑רֶץ לֹֽא־רָעָ֚ב לַלֶּ֙חֶם֙ וְלֹֽא־צָמָ֣א לַמַּ֔יִם כִּ֣י אִם־לִשְׁמֹ֔עַ אֵ֖ת דִּבְרֵ֥י יְהֹוָֽה:

At first blush it seems to be a good thing. Days are coming when people will hunger for the word of Hashem.

But if you take a minute to look at the commentators, they state unanimously that this is a sad prophecy. Days are coming prophecy with go lost from the Jewish nation. If you read the following few verses, this is clearly the case.

It is akin to making a song on the words אֵיכָ֣ה | יָֽשְׁבָ֣ה בָדָ֗ד
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2020, 11:32:45 AM »
Here is another one that stems from am haratzus.

Amos 8,11

הִנֵּ֣ה | יָמִ֣ים בָּאִ֗ים נְאֻם֙ אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֔ה וְהִשְׁלַחְתִּ֥י רָעָ֖ב בָּאָ֑רֶץ לֹֽא־רָעָ֚ב לַלֶּ֙חֶם֙ וְלֹֽא־צָמָ֣א לַמַּ֔יִם כִּ֣י אִם־לִשְׁמֹ֔עַ אֵ֖ת דִּבְרֵ֥י יְהֹוָֽה:

At first blush it seems to be a good thing. Days are coming when people will hunger for the word of Hashem.

But if you take a minute to look at the commentators, they state unanimously that this is a sad prophecy. Days are coming prophecy with go lost from the Jewish nation. If you read the following few verses, this is clearly the case.

It is akin to making a song on the words אֵיכָ֣ה | יָֽשְׁבָ֣ה בָדָ֗ד
If you are referring to the well known slow tune, there are many songs like that with sad lyrics.

I'm actually willing to bet that most songwriters do know very well what their lyrics mean.

It's many of the people that are going around singing the tunes that don't pay attention until someone asks them if they know what they're singing.

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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2020, 11:33:10 AM »
I do believe you can take a possuk that in context is about one thing, but give it a different meaning in another context. This is done all the time in pirushim and drashos.
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Re: בר הי הי
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2020, 11:34:42 AM »
If you are referring to the well known slow tune, there are many songs like that with sad lyrics.

I'm actually willing to bet that most songwriters do know very well what their lyrics mean.

It's many of the people that are going around singing the tunes that don't pay attention until someone asks them if they know what they're singing.

Zachreini Na is a classic example of this. The writer knew exactly what he was doing, the bochurim jumping wildly to a classic rock song, not as much.
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