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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1700 on: March 31, 2020, 08:38:48 AM »
By the way. I happened to have been driving by and saw the event happening and saw police coming and stuck around to watch. It is a terrible chilul Hashem and still unsafe but the truth is everyone was in their cars or on their own porches, they were actually staying away from each other really well.

I am in no way defending them, just saying it’s not exactly how it sounds.
Of course. The media is never accurate.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1701 on: March 31, 2020, 08:53:48 AM »
Of course. The media is never accurate.

A relative showed me a video of an outdoor bar mitzvah yesterday (maybe 2 days ago? My inner clock is completely wonky) near 7th street/park area. It got shut down by the cops, but I didn't see it in the news. From what I saw it was absolutely against the rules, and very unsafe. Some people are just sick in the head and we can't make excuses for everyone.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1702 on: March 31, 2020, 10:32:37 AM »
A relative showed me a video of an outdoor bar mitzvah yesterday (maybe 2 days ago? My inner clock is completely wonky) near 7th street/park area. It got shut down by the cops, but I didn't see it in the news. From what I saw it was absolutely against the rules, and very unsafe. Some people are just sick in the head and we can't make excuses for everyone.

I can't talk about that, but if my family all had the virus and recovered, and my BIL's family all had it (mostly worse than my family, and actually confirmed by tests) and recovered, would it be wrong to get the families together to celebrate my grandson's Upsherenish?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1703 on: March 31, 2020, 10:34:08 AM »
I can't talk about that, but if my family all had the virus and recovered, and my BIL's family all had it (mostly worse than my family, and actually confirmed by tests) and recovered, would it be wrong to get the families together to celebrate my grandson's Upsherenish?
Short answer yes.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1704 on: March 31, 2020, 10:35:18 AM »
I can't talk about that, but if my family all had the virus and recovered, and my BIL's family all had it (mostly worse than my family, and actually confirmed by tests) and recovered, would it be wrong to get the families together to celebrate my grandson's Upsherenish?

In the streets, and including the public? Absolutely wrong. And even a completely private event - why is it any better than making a minyan?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1705 on: March 31, 2020, 10:36:20 AM »
I can't talk about that, but if my family all had the virus and recovered, and my BIL's family all had it (mostly worse than my family, and actually confirmed by tests) and recovered, would it be wrong to get the families together to celebrate my grandson's Upsherenish?
I think  many people have the same thought process.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1706 on: March 31, 2020, 10:43:19 AM »
Short answer yes.

Why? Shouldn't we all be immune at this point?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1707 on: March 31, 2020, 10:45:04 AM »
Why? Shouldn't we all be immune at this point?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1708 on: March 31, 2020, 10:45:28 AM »
In the streets, and including the public? Absolutely wrong. And even a completely private event - why is it any better than making a minyan?

The difference is that with a minyan we can say לא פלוג due to the fact that it is relevant to everyone. But this is a family celebration where all participants have already been exposed to the virus. And it's held in the private setting of my home.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1709 on: March 31, 2020, 10:53:08 AM »
Why? Shouldn't we all be immune at this point?
Can you be 100% certain that every single person there had the virus AND is no longer contagious?

Can you be certain that no one else will find out that you're making the party?

Can you be certain that no one will post pictures on whatsapp or social media?


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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1710 on: March 31, 2020, 11:15:02 AM »
Can you be 100% certain that every single person there had the virus AND is no longer contagious?

Can you be certain that no one else will find out that you're making the party?

Can you be certain that no one will post pictures on whatsapp or social media?

I am 100% certain that everyone present has already been heavily exposed to the virus. Whether anyone is contagious or not, that is anyone’s wild guess. I haven’t seen anything definitive.

What difference would it make if anyone finds out about it? My mechutonim who are high risk will not be there.

Pictures will be posted on family WhatsApp. The only question is if one additional family that has already been exposed and mostly recovered, will be allowed to participate.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1711 on: March 31, 2020, 11:24:34 AM »


I am 100% certain that everyone present has already been heavily exposed to the virus.

Exposed /= infected. As long as one person is contagious, anyone that hasn't been infected yet can get it and continue the spread.



What difference would it make if anyone finds out about it? My mechutonim who are high risk will not be there.


Because people will think that if you are doing it, it's OK if they do. They won't know all the rules you put in place.


The only question is if one additional family that has already been exposed and mostly recovered, will be allowed to participate.

The doctors are not yet certain how long someone remains contagious for, even after symptoms have cleared and are still suggesting isolating unless it is to help an elderly person *who has the virus*

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1712 on: March 31, 2020, 11:27:07 AM »
Why? Shouldn't we all be immune at this point?
We all need to social distance as much as humanly possible.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1713 on: March 31, 2020, 11:37:38 AM »
Most likely a defective test. Some people had to take the test 6-7x before testing positive.
A lot of smart people I know have been saying the positive test rate in NY/NJ is way too low to be real, especially considering they’re only testing people with strong symptoms.
It was taken in city hospital with CDC tests. 3 defective tests? Maybe?....
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1714 on: March 31, 2020, 11:39:54 AM »
Most likely a defective test. Some people had to take the test 6-7x before testing positive.
A lot of smart people I know have been saying the positive test rate in NY/NJ is way too low to be real, especially considering they’re only testing people with strong symptoms.
People with money are getting tests regardless of exposure & symptoms.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1715 on: March 31, 2020, 11:40:31 AM »
It was taken in city hospital with CDC tests. 3 defective tests? Maybe?....
poorly administered?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1716 on: March 31, 2020, 11:45:08 AM »
poorly administered?
3 times? Again, very professional doctors / lab.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1717 on: March 31, 2020, 11:48:47 AM »
The tests are known to have 20-30% false negative. It may be the patient more than the individual test so retesting will show the same result.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1718 on: March 31, 2020, 11:55:44 AM »
Considering that COVID-19 doesnt affect children, this is a bogus charge.

Then again, as soon as you need to start explaining you lost.

All my kids lost sense of taste and smell. Saying that kids don't get it is just wrong and irresponsible.

Its more accurate to say that most kids will have a mild case, but if that kid has ongoing problem (even asthma) the result could G-d forbid be tragic.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1719 on: March 31, 2020, 11:56:07 AM »
We all need to social distance as much as humanly possible.

Might be splitting hairs here- but we don't all need to distance from all. Some logical exceptions do exist. However, since the rule/law is that we must, everyone has to comply with that.

If frum yidden are going to be the oiber chachomim who are cleverer than the law, I am embarrassed to be associated with them.