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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2100 on: April 26, 2020, 02:36:38 PM »
We never trusted WebMD, and itís not the first time this guy Slidell is on these videos with his unconventional wisdom. I didnít watch it once I saw whoís what, Iím too skeptical to even waste my time on it.
You may not like WebMD or Sidell, but there is loads of truth to the fact that they were mistreating the disease based on faulty data.

There is also a lot of talk that patients were not getting PTN, which is basic nutrition because the hospital was just not equipped to give 200 patients a day individualized dietary care. The dieticians, PTs, OTs that are required for keeping vent patients alive were not doing anything. Stories of patients starving to death are not far fetched.

There was a colossal mess up in preparation for this. Besides the facts that the disease was being improperly treated.

They created protocols that required ventilation when there was no need or they could have waited to ventilate. They shied away from C-pap and bi-pap when they should have utilized them more. I know of one case where the patient was on C-pap at home for 3 weeks and only went to hospital when there was no choice due to clotting issues. It will all come out eventually.   
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2101 on: April 26, 2020, 02:56:12 PM »
Come on, man!  :)
He is the president of US. Words matter. You have plenty of things to defend him on but this isn't one of them.
He asked a question to his team to look into injecting disinfectant. That was completely insane.
If you would like to continue this nonsense:  https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=113857.0
No time for that thread now.. Will respond briefly here.  Not gonna clog up this thread any more with this non sesne.

Facts matter. The media is saying that Trump said to do XYZ. He did not. Period. He throw it in as a question. And he said CLEARLY, I am not a doctor and I am leaving it up to the doctors.

I am not defending it. Maybe it was a mistake for him to even ask the question becasue as you said, as POTUS, words matter.

But remember that facts matter as well. You gotta be precise on what he said. For context watch the entire clip.

Again, he never said do XYZ.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2102 on: April 26, 2020, 03:05:15 PM »
Something is not right... As much as we are saying that we don't know yet, we probably know even less....

I had strong covid symptoms for about a week. I was exposed to my wife during that week. I mean, really really exposed... She had some back pain for 2 days a week after that but was never tested for covid. I was like, there is no way in the world she did not get it.

Today her antibody test came back. She is negative. She never had it. Are there certain people who due to their blood type or something else, won't get it?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2103 on: April 26, 2020, 03:07:42 PM »
No time for that thread now.. Will respond briefly here.  Not gonna clog up this thread any more with this non sesne.

Facts matter. The media is saying that Trump said to do XYZ. He did not. Period. He throw it in as a question. And he said CLEARLY, I am not a doctor and I am leaving it up to the doctors.

I am not defending it. Maybe it was a mistake for him to even ask the question becasue as you said, as POTUS, words matter.

But remember that facts matter as well. You gotta be precise on what he said. For context watch the entire clip.

Again, he never said do XYZ.

The MSM know as much, its all about setting up a narrative.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2104 on: April 26, 2020, 03:13:09 PM »
No time for that thread now.. Will respond briefly here.  Not gonna clog up this thread any more with this non sesne.

Facts matter. The media is saying that Trump said to do XYZ. He did not. Period. He throw it in as a question. And he said CLEARLY, I am not a doctor and I am leaving it up to the doctors.

I am not defending it. Maybe it was a mistake for him to even ask the question becasue as you said, as POTUS, words matter.

But remember that facts matter as well. You gotta be precise on what he said. For context watch the entire clip.

Again, he never said do XYZ.
Yes facts matter and here is what I said:
"He asked a question to his team to look into injecting disinfectant. That was completely insane."
Her is what he asked his team:
"I see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that? By injection, inside or almost a cleaning? Cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that. You're gonna have to use medical doctors, right? But it sounds interesting to me."

Now you want to try and dispute the exact quotes like he did by when he said it was sarcastic question to the reporter?

Look you want to defend him that is find. There are 100+ different things you can defend him on. Don't do it subjects like this because you lose all credibility.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2105 on: April 26, 2020, 03:17:32 PM »
You may not like WebMD or Sidell, but there is loads of truth to the fact that they were mistreating the disease based on faulty data.

There is also a lot of talk that patients were not getting PTN, which is basic nutrition because the hospital was just not equipped to give 200 patients a day individualized dietary care. The dieticians, PTs, OTs that are required for keeping vent patients alive were not doing anything. Stories of patients starving to death are not far fetched.

There was a colossal mess up in preparation for this. Besides the facts that the disease was being improperly treated.

They created protocols that required ventilation when there was no need or they could have waited to ventilate. They shied away from C-pap and bi-pap when they should have utilized them more. I know of one case where the patient was on C-pap at home for 3 weeks and only went to hospital when there was no choice due to clotting issues. It will all come out eventually.   

A lot of interesting ideas and Iím not denying any of them. All Iím saying is I didnít watch it because I donít trust the source, Iím getting enough misinformation already that I need to reduce my intake.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2106 on: April 26, 2020, 03:23:00 PM »
Yes facts matter and here is what I said:
"He asked a question to his team to look into injecting disinfectant. That was completely insane."
Her is what he asked his team:
"I see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that? By injection, inside or almost a cleaning? Cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that. You're gonna have to use medical doctors, right? But it sounds interesting to me."

Now you want to try and dispute the exact quotes like he did by when he said it was sarcastic question to the reporter?

Look you want to defend him that is find. There are 100+ different things you can defend him on. Don't do it subjects like this because you lose all credibility.
Okay, sorry we agree. I was responding to the MSNBC article that someone posted. Trump suggests injecting lysol..

That does not match up with the facts.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2107 on: April 26, 2020, 03:37:16 PM »
Okay, sorry we agree. I was responding to the MSNBC article that someone posted. Trump suggests injecting lysol..

That does not match up with the facts.
I seen that and will call them out as being dishonest. He never said that.
We need to separate the taking heads from those actually reporting the news.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2108 on: April 26, 2020, 06:03:26 PM »
You may not like WebMD or Sidell, but there is loads of truth to the fact that they were mistreating the disease based on faulty data.

There is also a lot of talk that patients were not getting PTN, which is basic nutrition because the hospital was just not equipped to give 200 patients a day individualized dietary care. The dieticians, PTs, OTs that are required for keeping vent patients alive were not doing anything. Stories of patients starving to death are not far fetched.
I'm going to skip answering on this part not to start a whole rukus on another thread.

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There was a colossal mess up in preparation for this. Besides the facts that the disease was being improperly treated.

They created protocols that required ventilation when there was no need or they could have waited to ventilate. They shied away from C-pap and bi-pap when they should have utilized them more. I know of one case where the patient was on C-pap at home for 3 weeks and only went to hospital when there was no choice due to clotting issues. It will all come out eventually.   
most definitely true at least in the beginning however once they realized people are mentating well even with a low SPO2 they are holding off intubating until the pt can no longer breath on their own. Are there a lot of unknowns? Yes, is it possible to treat differently? Most definitely but what exactly should be done is not really known at the moment.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2113 on: April 27, 2020, 12:46:45 AM »
Their next article is... https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/964761/16
I can post plenty of other sites that are reporting it

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2114 on: April 27, 2020, 01:32:03 PM »
Here's a (somewhat) tough question:

My mother apparently fell and bumped her head today in the facility (in EY) where she stays. She seems perfectly OK, but SOP beyond age 75 is to send for a CT scan whenever there's an accidental bump to the head.

The facility has been in total lockdown since February, with no visitors allowed (there was some easing announced this week, where outdoor visits under certain restrictions would be permitted) and has BH kept everyone healthy.

She seems perfectly OK, so there's fear of COVID-19 exposure by taking her to the ER for a CT scan. OTOH, the possibility of internal bleeding is a different type of scare, which is why the SOP is a CT scan whenever there's an accidental bump to the head at that age. An option to delay the CT while observing her closely in the facility was also brought up, but that would entail stopping blood thinners (aspirin) which creates a different risk.

What does one do?
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