COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

[Afrages6]

@Afrages6
How do you explain the graph in this article? https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/europe/european-union-travel-us-graphic-intl/index.html
Or is this somehow fake news?

It isn’t fake news, that is the current state of the virus in the US. As I have said before, what is going now was simply inevitable due to the fact that the constitution gives the people of the us certain liberties which can’t be taken away and also doesn’t allow any restrictions on interstate travel. All the initial lockdowns did in these states was postpone the eventual community spread of COVID-19 throughout the country.

The EU on the other hand were able to lockdown the citizens and their borders which virtually stomped out the virus in a lot of places. You are also trying to compare 28 or so individual countries with a central union which has no power, with 50 states and a federal government which all believe that they have all of the power but none of the actual responsibility. The US government as a whole is one hot mess which isn’t made to handle pervasive national crises, look no further then the last three months as proof.

[ExGingi]

1. What makes you think that this was a local initiative rather than following NYC public health instructions?
2. If public schools close on Monday and Jewish schools close on Sunday, do you call that closing earlier, or are they all closing at the beginning of their school week?
3. How does this show anything about the opinion of one doctor?

ETA: While the above refers to schools, you claimed that Shuls in Crown Heights closed before ordered by state authorities. You haven't provided a source for that either.

[ExGingi]

Going to have to steal that one. 

The only way it could get better than that would be "my posts on DDF" as a source. 

[yuneeq]

So my sons school and camp are closed already because a school teacher got corona.

[biobook]

So my sons school and camp are closed already because a school teacher got corona.

Day camp or overnight?
Planning to reopen?

[Euclid]

So my sons school and camp are closed already because a school teacher got corona.

Was this one of the 5 people in the doctors' letter on Lakewood Scoop today?

[Lurker]

It isn’t fake news, that is the current state of the virus in the US. As I have said before, what is going now was simply inevitable due to the fact that the constitution gives the people of the us certain liberties which can’t be taken away and also doesn’t allow any restrictions on interstate travel. All the initial lockdowns did in these states was postpone the eventual community spread of COVID-19 throughout the country.

The EU on the other hand were able to lockdown the citizens and their borders which virtually stomped out the virus in a lot of places. You are also trying to compare 28 or so individual countries with a central union which has no power, with 50 states and a federal government which all believe that they have all of the power but none of the actual responsibility. The US government as a whole is one hot mess which isn’t made to handle pervasive national crises, look no further then the last three months as proof.

In short, we're handling this worse than any other developed nation on Earth.

I disagree that the US government isn't built to handle a crisis like this one. The current leadership let politics come before public safety. There are plenty of things the Federal government does control, like shutting down international travel, or the ability to restrict interstate travel (at least through the air), or by sourcing PPE for its citizens, or by giving clear information and guidance to the state and local health departments instead of daily sh!t shows for the media, or by any of the other myriad powers that are placed at their disposal. Yes, a lot of rules and regs are controlled on a state or local level, but a lot of their direction comes from Federal resources. Not to say this has been handled well at any level of government. But to say that the US system is built for failure is just not true, IMO. Maybe we just care a little too much about the markets.

[Dan]

On a simple note, Canada is charging $200 to get a covid test. They're not some 3rd world crummy country. There's 0 chance that any of that info is accurate. At best its misleading, and its probably outright lies.

Like your post. At best its misleading, and its probably outright lies.

[yuneeq]

Day camp or overnight?
Planning to reopen?

Day camp
Not sure yet

Was this one of the 5 people in the doctors' letter on Lakewood Scoop today?

He had nothing to do with Florida or another state, doesn’t seem like it.

[Euclid]

He had nothing to do with Florida or another state, doesn’t seem like it.

Sounds like community spread; not optimal :/

[CountValentine]

The only way it could get better than that would be "my posts on DDF" as a source. 

No, you want to put it on others so you don't have to back it up. 

[Afrages6]

In short, we're handling this worse than any other developed nation on Earth.

I disagree that the US government isn't built to handle a crisis like this one. The current leadership let politics come before public safety. There are plenty of things the Federal government does control, like shutting down international travel, or the ability to restrict interstate travel (at least through the air), or by sourcing PPE for its citizens, or by giving clear information and guidance to the state and local health departments instead of daily sh!t shows for the media, or by any of the other myriad powers that are placed at their disposal. Yes, a lot of rules and regs are controlled on a state or local level, but a lot of their direction comes from Federal resources. Not to say this has been handled well at any level of government. But to say that the US system is built for failure is just not true, IMO. Maybe we just care a little too much about the markets.

Really, do you remember the outrage there was when trump restricted flights from China?
Imagine what would have happened had he done that from Europe in January or February before it was too late?

[yuneeq]

Sounds like community spread; not optimal :/

I was just informed that someone brought it back from Florida and infected him

[Euclid]

I was just informed that someone brought it back from Florida and infected him

Phew, that's much better...

[CountValentine]

Imagine what would have happened had he done that from Europe in January or February before it was too late?

We would have saved many lives.

[yaakov35]

In short, we're handling this worse than any other developed nation on Earth.

I disagree that the US government isn't built to handle a crisis like this one. The current leadership let politics come before public safety. There are plenty of things the Federal government does control, like shutting down international travel, or the ability to restrict interstate travel (at least through the air), or by sourcing PPE for its citizens, or by giving clear information and guidance to the state and local health departments instead of daily sh!t shows for the media, or by any of the other myriad powers that are placed at their disposal. Yes, a lot of rules and regs are controlled on a state or local level, but a lot of their direction comes from Federal resources. Not to say this has been handled well at any level of government. But to say that the US system is built for failure is just not true, IMO. Maybe we just care a little too much about the markets.

They couldn't fully shut down international travel, was complicated enough as is with the countries he banned.People throw bricks at cops heads and you think guys like that care about laws, rules, or anything they would have been told to.He could've placed a better directed sense of urgency to the matter, but otherwise I don't think there's anything that could've actually been done differently.   Actually being the key word, not talking about closing borders and air space or any other idiotic ideas people talk about, but can never pan out.

[Afrages6]

We would have saved many lives.

Agreed. But the political backlash as well as potential lawsuits would’ve put a stop too it.

[yuneeq]

Agreed. But the political backlash as well as potential lawsuits would’ve put a stop too it.

Agree. Also don’t forget the political backlash if Trump figured out how to test more than 10 people a day when the virus was already around for months. Yes the COVID test was available and cheap to replicate, but it would make America look terrible if people saw how much COVID was spreading, and who wants to hurt America?

That’s also why we exported all our N95 masks to China so when the virus caused patients to overload our unprepared hospitals we could blame the virus on China and it makes China look bad. And that makes America look good.

[Lurker]

Really, do you remember the outrage there was when trump restricted flights from China?
Imagine what would have happened had he done that from Europe in January or February before it was too late?

1) How does that mean that the US system wasn't built to handle this crisis?

2) So what? What ultimately came from all that noise? The ban stood. To be President of the greatest country on Earth, you need some beitzim. If noise stops you from keeping the country safe, find another job.

3) If the ban on international travel had been done all together, the reason for the noise (racism) would have been moot. That's not to say that the politicians wouldn't have found another reason (maybe nationalism). But just like the noise about the flights from China, they would have subsided when the rest of the world's infections were spiking in March and April and ours would have been much, much lower.

4) If the President was more politically savvy, he would have quietly invited Congress to make the ban with him, in a show of solidarity for US safety. If they would have turned him down and made noise about it, they would be risking handing him the election on a platter if he turned out to be right. More likely they would have grumbled about nationalism and why we aren't doing more to help the countries who are getting hit hard.

5) Your arguments speak to the political mess we currently find ourselves in, not the way our system is actually built. The fault is in the people of our government, not the powers constitutionally afforded to them.

[Lurker]

They couldn't fully shut down international travel, was complicated enough as is with the countries he banned.People throw bricks at cops heads and you think guys like that care about laws, rules, or anything they would have been told to.He could've placed a better directed sense of urgency to the matter, but otherwise I don't think there's anything that could've actually been done differently.   Actually being the key word, not talking about closing borders and air space or any other idiotic ideas people talk about, but can never pan out.

You are so full of sh!t, you make a politician look honest. Banning travel and closing borders isn't complicated. In fact, it was done to varying degrees with little complication. Many things could have actually been done. And can you stop with the stupid bricks to the head lawlessness BS? That happened almost 3 months in and was possibly exacerbated by pent up energy from having nothing to do for months. In fact, enforcing a ban on international flights probably would have allowed more of the economy to stay open, and possibly would have taken a lot of the steam out of the protesters before they even got started.