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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3760 on: December 14, 2020, 11:29:09 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211

New UK strain found, unknown if it behaves any differently.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3762 on: December 15, 2020, 03:03:47 PM »
I can't find the post where somebody argued young people should be getting vaccinated before the elderly, but this data would support that approach
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There was an article in Wired (I read it in the print version) suggesting it might be advantageous to vaccinate people who move around the most before seniors who are already isolated or in nursing homes.

ETA: Wired article here: https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-super-spreaders/
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3763 on: December 15, 2020, 03:24:56 PM »
I can't find the post where somebody argued young people should be getting vaccinated before the elderly, but this data would support that approach
College campuses are not where I would start. I'd start with people in the 25-45 demo. People whose circles are more likely to be widespread, between work, kids, shuls/churches, and local stores.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3764 on: December 15, 2020, 03:37:20 PM »
Wired article here: https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-super-spreaders/
This article is absolutely fantastic. Thanks for sharing!

Just one ingenious quote:
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In 2003, during the first SARS epidemic, Shlomo Havlin, a physicist at Bar-Ilan University near Tel Aviv, proposed one of the most ingenious solutions to this problem. In a paper called “Efficient Immunization Strategies for Computer Networks and Populations,” Havlin and two colleagues argued that you could achieve global effects on a complex network using only local knowledge. All you had to do was follow a simple script: Take a random sample of a population, ask each individual to name a single acquaintance, and vaccinate the acquaintance. “In this way,” Havlin says, “you can reach the hubs, the super-spreaders, very easily.”

This acquaintance immunization strategy wasn't as efficient as one that targeted the most highly connected nodes based on complete knowledge of a network. But it was close. “If you do this,” Havlin says, “you reduce the number of units that you need to immunize by a factor of three or four.” Diseases that would normally keep spreading until 60 or 80 percent of the population was infected—the herd immunity threshold—could be stopped by vaccinating just 10 or 20 percent. Havlin likens the effect to a phase transition: A solid network of ice crystals melts suddenly into water.

If you enjoy this article I highly recommend “Tipping Point” by Malcolm Gladwell.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3765 on: December 16, 2020, 10:09:43 AM »
This article is absolutely fantastic. Thanks for sharing!

Just one ingenious quote:
If you enjoy this article I highly recommend “Tipping Point” by Malcolm Gladwell.

Gladwell’s books are good reads, but some of his concepts have been debunked IINM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3766 on: December 16, 2020, 10:40:34 AM »
Gladwell’s books are good reads, but some of his concepts have been debunked IINM
Debunked is probably not accurate. Though the quotes from critics on his wiki page are pretty strong:
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Gladwell's critics have described him as prone to oversimplification. The New Republic called the final chapter of Outliers, "impervious to all forms of critical thinking" and said Gladwell believes "a perfect anecdote proves a fatuous rule".[61] Gladwell has also been criticized for his emphasis on anecdotal evidence over research to support his conclusions.[62] Maureen Tkacik and Steven Pinker have challenged the integrity of Gladwell's approach.[63][64] Even while praising Gladwell's writing style and content, Pinker summed up Gladwell as "a minor genius who unwittingly demonstrates the hazards of statistical reasoning", while accusing him of "cherry-picked anecdotes, post-hoc sophistry and false dichotomies" in his book Outliers. Referencing a Gladwell reporting mistake in which Gladwell refers to "eigenvalue" as "Igon Value", Pinker criticizes his lack of expertise: "I will call this the Igon Value Problem: when a writer's education on a topic consists in interviewing an expert, he is apt to offer generalizations that are banal, obtuse or flat wrong."[64] A writer in The Independent accused Gladwell of posing "obvious" insights.[65] The Register has accused Gladwell of making arguments by weak analogy and commented Gladwell has an "aversion for fact", adding: "Gladwell has made a career out of handing simple, vacuous truths to people and dressing them up with flowery language and an impressionistic take on the scientific method."[66] In that regard, The New Republic has called him "America's Best-Paid Fairy-Tale Writer".[67] His approach was satirized by the online site "The Malcolm Gladwell Book Generator".[68]

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3767 on: December 16, 2020, 10:49:17 AM »
Debunked is probably not accurate. Though the quotes from critics on his wiki page are pretty strong:

Yeah, debunked is the wrong word. His concepts sound good and make sense the way he frames them, but don’t necessarily tell the whole story.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3768 on: December 16, 2020, 12:00:30 PM »
This article is absolutely fantastic. Thanks for sharing!
Maybe we should use the same logic and require the superspreaders to quarantine/wear masks

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3769 on: December 16, 2020, 12:15:46 PM »
Maybe we should use the same logic and require the superspreaders to quarantine/wear masks
Yup, exactly the same logic....

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3770 on: December 16, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
K, so now that the election is over the AMA says HCQ is safe
Anyone here surprised?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3771 on: December 16, 2020, 04:26:15 PM »
K, so now that the election is over the AMA says HCQ is safe
Anyone here surprised?
Thye were waiting for the electoral college?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3772 on: December 16, 2020, 04:32:44 PM »
K, so now that the election is over the AMA says HCQ is safe
Anyone here surprised?
They still don't say that it works, just that there's no evidence that it is harmful i.e. still not the silver bullet that was being touted.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3773 on: December 16, 2020, 06:19:48 PM »
But it was crazy to call it dangerous when it wasn’t!

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3774 on: December 16, 2020, 06:20:54 PM »
K, so now that the election is over the AMA says HCQ is safe
Anyone here surprised?
Zelenko just tweeted it out and called them The American Murder Association

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3775 on: December 16, 2020, 06:22:11 PM »
But it was crazy to call it dangerous when it wasn’t!
What does that have to do with the election?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3776 on: December 16, 2020, 06:49:25 PM »
What does that have to do with the election?

Because Trump said it was safe.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3777 on: December 16, 2020, 07:27:54 PM »
They still don't say that it works, just that there's no evidence that it is harmful i.e. still not the silver bullet that was being touted.

Doesn’t it cause heart issues in some patients (nothing to do with COVID)?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3778 on: December 16, 2020, 08:08:34 PM »
Doesn’t it cause heart issues in some patients (nothing to do with COVID)?

Only when used for a long time (years) and even then, not very often.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3779 on: December 16, 2020, 09:48:09 PM »
Because Trump said it was safe.
He also said schools were safe, months before the experts.