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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3940 on: February 04, 2021, 02:54:59 PM »
Please explain number 4


You can get infected, but your body will fight it off right away with the help of the antibodies produced by the vaccine.

It is not yet studied whether or not vaccinated people can transmit the virus (likely not).

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3941 on: February 04, 2021, 02:57:21 PM »
Please explain number 4


Sterilizing immunity vs effective immunity.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3942 on: February 04, 2021, 03:01:08 PM »

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3943 on: February 04, 2021, 03:02:14 PM »
https://www.goodrx.com/blog/can-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-infertility/

would you give it to your yeshiva age son??

You posted a reason to get him vaccinated, not a reason not to.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3944 on: February 04, 2021, 03:16:13 PM »
https://www.goodrx.com/blog/can-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-infertility/

would you give it to your yeshiva age son??
No, I would not give COVID-19 to my yeshiva age son.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3945 on: February 04, 2021, 03:51:20 PM »
I agree with the increased contact part, but where have you seen genetics playing a role in likelihood of susceptibility to infection?
I said maybe, it's just a guess. It's the only reason I was able to come up with; other than assuming it's 100% by chance, that some people who were very careful get it as soon as they let their guard down slightly.

Thinking about it now, could the fact that they were locked up for so long have weakened their immune system making them more susceptible?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3946 on: February 04, 2021, 03:53:22 PM »
https://www.goodrx.com/blog/can-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-infertility/

would you give it to your yeshiva age son??



A relative asked their Dr this exact question and was told not to take the vaccine (he had COVID in March). This Dr is very much not anti-vax.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3947 on: February 04, 2021, 04:00:11 PM »
A relative asked their Dr this exact question and was told not to take the vaccine (he had COVID in March). This Dr is very much not anti-vax.
If you had confirmed COVID it's not unreasonable to wait and see what the guidance is in the coming weeks.
Most likely it will be to get one shot.
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« Reply #3948 on: February 04, 2021, 04:35:45 PM »
A relative asked their Dr this exact question and was told not to take the vaccine (he had COVID in March). This Dr is very much not anti-vax.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3949 on: February 04, 2021, 04:42:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1357010964143628289

Hmm. On a real life level, how much distancing was there in Saskatchewan compared to a regular year?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3950 on: February 04, 2021, 05:12:24 PM »
Hmm. On a real life level, how much distancing was there in Saskatchewan compared to a regular year?
The baseline isn't the same, but the difference from yesteryear is likely much more dramatic than Lakewood.
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« Reply #3951 on: February 04, 2021, 05:15:14 PM »
The baseline isn't the same, but the difference from yesteryear is likely much more dramatic than Lakewood.

Says less about Saskatchewan...
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3952 on: February 04, 2021, 05:26:15 PM »
I agree with the increased contact part, but where have you seen genetics playing a role in likelihood of susceptibility to infection?
Relatives, even those not living together having severe cases.  while other families breezing through.
Blacks and Hispanics having higher numbers of hospital admissions, even middle class ones (who presumably have a better medical profile).
Not such a strange idea.  Just like we look like our family outwardly, our body probably has some minute similarities internally.
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« Reply #3953 on: February 04, 2021, 05:28:38 PM »
Relatives, even those not living together having severe cases.  while other families breezing through.
Blacks and Hispanics having higher numbers of hospital admissions, even middle class ones (who presumably have a better medical profile).
Not such a strange idea.  Just like we look like our family outwardly, our body probably has some minute similarities internally.
True, but those are pertaining to severity oof disease. We don't know that anybody is less susceptible to infection, and the theories revolve more around cross immunity. What we do know is that not all Covid carriers are always shedding live virus to be contagious to others.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3954 on: February 04, 2021, 07:36:30 PM »
I have a theory that there are certain people who are more likely to get it, my guess is a combination of genetics and increased contact with the general public.
Makes sense. We did see a report in September about some genes that were identified that were associated with the most severe cases. 

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/scientists-discover-genetic-immunologic-underpinnings-some-cases-severe-covid-19
"The researchers found that more than 10% of people who develop severe COVID-19 have misguided antibodies―autoantibodies―that attack the immune system rather than the virus that causes the disease. Another 3.5% or more of people who develop severe COVID-19 carry a specific kind of genetic mutation that impacts immunity."

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« Reply #3955 on: February 04, 2021, 07:40:59 PM »
Relatives, even those not living together having severe cases.  while other families breezing through.
Blacks and Hispanics having higher numbers of hospital admissions, even middle class ones (who presumably have a better medical profile).
Not such a strange idea.  Just like we look like our family outwardly, our body probably has some minute similarities internally.
Makes sense. We did see a report in September about some genes that were identified that were associated with the most severe cases. 
"The researchers found that more than 10% of people who develop severe COVID-19 have misguided antibodies―autoantibodies―that attack the immune system rather than the virus that causes the disease. Another 3.5% or more of people who develop severe COVID-19 carry a specific kind of genetic mutation that impacts immunity."
You are both addressing severity of illness, not susceptibility to infection.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3956 on: February 04, 2021, 07:49:23 PM »
You are both addressing severity of illness, not susceptibility to infection.
Right, but point being that just as they've discovered genetic variations that influence the first, they are likely to discover other genetic variations that influence the second.

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« Reply #3957 on: February 04, 2021, 08:01:58 PM »
Right, but point being that just as they've discovered genetic variations that influence the first, they are likely to discover other genetic variations that influence the second.
I don’t think that logically follows.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3958 on: February 04, 2021, 10:40:35 PM »
No, I would not give COVID-19 to my yeshiva age son.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3959 on: February 05, 2021, 12:26:35 AM »
I don’t think that logically follows.
I'm not sure what part you disagree with.

The structure and function of our body is determined by genes, and different people can have different variants of a gene, leading to slight differences in how the body functions.  We see this in some obvious characteristics, such as how curly or thick our hair grows, or how our taste buds respond to certain flavors.  But less obvious parts of the body can also exist in variant forms that may have little effect on their day-to-day function, but may be relevant to how we respond to disease-causing agents. 

The coronavirus enters the human body through mucous membranes of the mouth or nose, penetrating the mucus till it reaches a cell which it can enter.  Small differences in the thickness of the mucus, or what chemicals are in it, or how acidic it is might make a difference in whether the virus survives to infect us, or is rendered harmless.  So it wouldn't be surprising if some people are genetically less likely to get infected.

Here's an article from Discover magazine that discusses the possible genetic basis for differences in susceptibility to infection.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-do-some-people-get-sick-all-the-time-while-others-stay-in-freakishly