COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

[CountValentine]

The hypocrisy is also bipartisan, but the point stands.

The hypocrisy is from both sides. The support isn't.

[Lurker]

We are in another public health crisis currently.

Where? In states with little-to-no restrictions? You reap what you sow. That still doesn't justify government-level vaccine mandates on the general public.

[Lurker]

The hypocrisy is from both sides. The support isn't.

Support for what? Neither side wants government telling them what to do with their bodies. Both sides have factions who are ok with government telling other people what they can do with their bodies.

[CountValentine]

Where?

The country. I am not going to pick on individual states.

[CountValentine]

Both sides have factions who are ok with government telling other people what they can do with their bodies.

Factions? Take the abortion issue. It is around 60/40 to be legal. That is not factions no matter which side you are on.

[Lurker]

Factions? Take the abortion issue. It is around 60/40 to be legal. That is not factions no matter which side you are on.

There are anti abortion Democrats. Regardless, you're nitpicking at my choice of words, but the point still stands.

[CountValentine]

There are anti abortion Democrats. Regardless, you're nitpicking at my choice of words, but the point still stands.

I don't agree with your point. People are against government getting involved when it supports their position. Most of the country is this way and they are hypocrites. 

[Lurker]

I don't agree with your point. People are against government getting involved when it supports their position. Most of the country is this way and they are hypocrites.

My point is that you're calling for the absolute most extreme measure, and it's unwarranted. It may be the easiest, most convenient, and most efficient way of dealing with Covid, but that doesn't justify the ramifications to personal freedoms. Unless that is the last tool at our disposal, it probably shouldn't be used.

[CountValentine]

My point is that you're calling for the absolute most extreme measure, and it's unwarranted. It may be the easiest, most convenient, and most efficient way of dealing with Covid, but that doesn't justify the ramifications to personal freedoms. Unless that is the last tool at our disposal, it probably shouldn't be used.

I thought in that volley we were talking about a different point. 

We tried the don't shame, make fun of or force vaccination route and it failed. We are all aware of mandating certain vaccines for school children for health reasons. I believe this health crisis warrants it.

[Lurker]

I thought in that volley we were talking about a different point. 

We tried the don't shame, make fun of or force vaccination route and it failed. We are all aware of mandating certain vaccines for school children for health reasons. I believe this health crisis warrants it.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm mistaken, but I believe those diseases were/are all much more deadly than Covid, and some (most? all?) by not a small margin.

[Yehuda57]

For starters like NY, military and other mandates. It can be refined as more data becomes available. We need to act now!!!

Screaming we need to act doesn't make for smart decisions. Do you think it's a given that the NY mandate will increase vaccination rates? I'm not so sure. Anecdotally, people who were on the fence have been turned off by what they view as a power grab.

What if someone has antibodies, should the mandate apply to them?

[CountValentine]

Screaming we need to act doesn't make for smart decisions. Do you think it's a given that the NY mandate will increase vaccination rates? I'm not so sure. Anecdotally, people who were on the fence have been turned off by what they view as a power grab.

What if someone has antibodies, should the mandate apply to them?

We need to act now based on science is a smart decision. Vaccines work and we all agree on that. The issue comes up about freedom.

It seems a certain level of antibodies and you are protected. Again follow the science. Maybe they will require a booster shot like the vaccinated.

Would it be fair to say the more of us that are vaccinated, less will be infected, giving the virus less of a chance to mutate?

[CountValentine]

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm mistaken, but I believe those diseases were/are all much more deadly than Covid, and some (most? all?) by not a small margin.

Chickenpox comes to mind. It was extremely contagious but was it deadly?

[Lurker]

Chickenpox comes to mind. It was extremely contagious but was it deadly?

There's a chickenpox vaccine mandate?

[CountValentine]

There's a chickenpox vaccine mandate?

I though kids get that. It is a recommendation?
ETA: Varicella: Chickenpox
All 50 states and DC require the varicella vaccine for kindergarten entry, though some will accept proof of immunity instead of vaccination. Some states list the MMRV (measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella) vaccine as appropriate.

[Lurker]

I though kids get that. It is a recommendation?

Looks like it is mandated for public schools, on a state level.

[Lurker]

Chickenpox comes to mind. It was extremely contagious but was it deadly?

It seems that chickenpox is a pretty solid precedent for limited mandates on a state level.

[Yehuda57]

We need to act now based on science is a smart decision. Vaccines work and we all agree on that. The issue comes up about freedom.

It seems a certain level of antibodies and you are protected. Again follow the science. Maybe they will require a booster shot like the vaccinated.

Would it be fair to say the more of us that are vaccinated, less will be infected, giving the virus less of a chance to mutate?

You say things like follow the science, but the CDC hasn't been presenting all the science when creating guidelines, for instance natural immunity.

Why do airlines impose some of the strictest mask mandates when airplanes are among the least dangerous public places you can be in?

Why did DC refuse businesses who asked to lift the mask mandate and only allow vaccinated patrons in if the science is that vaccines are infinitely more protective than masks?

Because the science is not the driving force behind the mandates and guidelines, but the need to show that the powers that be are in control, godamit, and doing something.

[CountValentine]

It seems that chickenpox is a pretty solid precedent for limited mandates on a state level.

I agree. Mandate vaccinations for all 50 states and DC. 

[Yehuda57]

Chickenpox comes to mind. It was extremely contagious but was it deadly?

It is rare, but can be deadly. My sister in law was hospitalized with an infection in her brain (iinm).

Chicken pox is also a terrible illness. Kids suffered horribly from it and it is beyond cruel for adults to minimize it as just an itch when the vaccine is safe and effective.

I very much doubt it would be mandated if it wasn't included in the mmr. But that's just my uneducated guess.