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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4720 on: August 25, 2021, 10:53:36 PM »
So now Delta Airlines is adding a COVID surcharge to the insurance premiums of unvaccinated employees. It does make sense for them to charge them to relieve the costs incurred when people get COVID.
They are charging $200/month and they said a COVID hospitalization cost them an average of $40k. If they were strictly trying to recoup their cost, that would mean they expect 1 in 17 unvaccinated employees to be hospitalized. That sounds really high.

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« Reply #4721 on: August 25, 2021, 11:02:07 PM »
They are charging $200/month and they said a COVID hospitalization cost them an average of $40k. If they were strictly trying to recoup their cost, that would mean they expect 1 in 17 unvaccinated employees to be hospitalized. That sounds really high.

1 in 17 over the course of a full year, for people who will be very mobile and interfacing with tons of people in close quarters. I'm not sure that's high at all.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4722 on: August 25, 2021, 11:09:34 PM »
It seems that chickenpox is a pretty solid precedent for limited mandates on a state level.
It is only mandated for schools.

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« Reply #4723 on: August 25, 2021, 11:16:56 PM »
It is only mandated for schools.

100%, which is why I said limited and on a state level. However, it does set a precedent for what is or isn't within the government's right to mandate, and chickenpox poses a tiny fraction of the public health risk compared to Covid, which makes the case for limited vaccine mandates pretty strong, IMO.
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« Reply #4724 on: August 25, 2021, 11:17:01 PM »
They are charging $200/month and they said a COVID hospitalization cost them an average of $40k. If they were strictly trying to recoup their cost, that would mean they expect 1 in 17 unvaccinated employees to be hospitalized. That sounds really high.

I wonder how this will hold up in court with the ACA.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4725 on: August 25, 2021, 11:46:41 PM »
1 in 17 over the course of a full year, for people who will be very mobile and interfacing with tons of people in close quarters. I'm not sure that's high at all.
The average hospitalization rate among younger people (one would assume the average age of Delta employees is relatively young) is under 1 in 1000. 1 in 17 seems a bit much even given close quarters. If it were Carnival cruise lines on the other hand....

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4727 on: August 26, 2021, 10:55:39 AM »
I am hearing some second and third hand reports of some people losing peripheral vision within hours of getting vaccinated. This happened to a friend's friend who went to an ophthalmologist who told him he is the 5th time he has seen that and that he spoke to an opthamologist in Baltimore who also saw it 4 times. The way aI heard it was that 10 cases are required to file with the CDC and he is waiting to reach that threshold. I did find some sparse mention of this through Google.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8176659/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/coronavirus-vaccine-strangest-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-discovered-so-far/photostory/81510633.cms?picid=81510662
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4728 on: August 26, 2021, 10:57:14 AM »
I am hearing some second and third hand reports of some people losing peripheral vision within hours of getting vaccinated. This happened to a friend's friend who went to an ophthalmologist who told him he is the 5th time he has seen that and that he spoke to an opthamologist in Baltimore who also saw it 4 times. The way aI heard it was that 10 cases are required to file with the CDC and he is waiting to reach that threshold. I did find some sparse mention of this through Google.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8176659/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/coronavirus-vaccine-strangest-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-discovered-so-far/photostory/81510633.cms?picid=81510662

Long term loss?
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« Reply #4729 on: August 26, 2021, 11:04:18 AM »
Long term loss?

The case I heard about has lasted a few weeks as of now.
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« Reply #4730 on: August 26, 2021, 11:17:22 AM »
I am hearing some second and third hand reports of some people losing peripheral vision within hours of getting vaccinated. This happened to a friend's friend who went to an ophthalmologist who told him he is the 5th time he has seen that and that he spoke to an opthamologist in Baltimore who also saw it 4 times. The way aI heard it was that 10 cases are required to file with the CDC and he is waiting to reach that threshold. I did find some sparse mention of this through Google.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8176659/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/coronavirus-vaccine-strangest-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-discovered-so-far/photostory/81510633.cms?picid=81510662
The vaccine was proven safe. There are no risks to getting vaccinated. >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #4731 on: August 26, 2021, 11:19:02 AM »
The vaccine was proven safe. There are no risks to getting vaccinated. >:( >:( >:(

Who besides @PlatinumGuy said that? Was there ever an expectation that ANY vaccine is risk free?
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« Reply #4732 on: August 26, 2021, 11:32:15 AM »
The vaccine was proven safe. There are no risks to getting vaccinated. >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #4733 on: August 26, 2021, 11:34:35 AM »
I am hearing some second and third hand reports of some people losing peripheral vision within hours of getting vaccinated. This happened to a friend's friend who went to an ophthalmologist who told him he is the 5th time he has seen that and that he spoke to an opthamologist in Baltimore who also saw it 4 times. The way aI heard it was that 10 cases are required to file with the CDC and he is waiting to reach that threshold. I did find some sparse mention of this through Google.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8176659/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/coronavirus-vaccine-strangest-side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine-discovered-so-far/photostory/81510633.cms?picid=81510662
Which vaccine? I have a close family member who's an eye doctor - I'll ask him what he's hearing.

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« Reply #4734 on: August 26, 2021, 11:35:23 AM »
Which vaccine? I have a close family member who's an eye doctor - I'll ask him what he's hearing.

not sure.
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« Reply #4735 on: August 26, 2021, 11:57:16 AM »
Which vaccine? I have a close family member who's an eye doctor - I'll ask him what he's hearing.

Ask him what he's seeing. Hearing loss is a different issue. (I know of one case of hearing loss in one ear that still hasn't returned after 6 months+)

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« Reply #4736 on: August 26, 2021, 12:08:09 PM »
Who besides @PlatinumGuy said that? Was there ever an expectation that ANY vaccine is risk free?
When asked what is the upside to vaccinating (I think it was in reference to someone who has antibodies) @CountValentine responded "What's the downside?"

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« Reply #4737 on: August 26, 2021, 12:12:35 PM »
When asked what is the upside to vaccinating (I think it was in reference to someone who has antibodies) @CountValentine responded "What's the downside?"
I sure did and what is your point?

Since you don't want to answer this question I will do it for you. It is impossible to get out of bed without taking risks. We weight what those risks are and proceed from there.
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« Reply #4738 on: August 26, 2021, 12:14:20 PM »
When asked what is the upside to vaccinating (I think it was in reference to someone who has antibodies) @CountValentine responded "What's the downside?"

Were you expecting a TV ad-like list of all the possible side effects? C'mon. Virtually no one has claimed there are absolutely no risks.
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« Reply #4739 on: August 26, 2021, 12:18:49 PM »
I sure did and what is your point?

Since you don't want to answer this question I will do it for you. It is impossible to get out of bed without taking risks. We weight what those risks are and proceed from there.

Exactly. So if someone has antibodies the upside of the vaccine is reduced significantly compared to someone without. It is understandable they would want to weigh the more limited upside of the vaccine against the possible downsides. Same thing for the discussion in the mask thread about masking kids. Even if we agree that masking can help slow the diminish the spread, we want to weigh those benefits against the downsides of masking kids.