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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4940 on: March 14, 2022, 11:58:02 AM »
I based totally on your claim without verifying and therefore called it that. Do they give any reasoning as to why they didn't just use the numbers you are pointing to?

Maybe instead of downplaying it & trying to keep up an appearance of two sides in a debate, why don't you click through the link and see their Denmark data is obviously blatantly wrong?

Here are screenshots, so all you have to do is verify I didn't fabricate them





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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4941 on: March 14, 2022, 12:06:21 PM »
More professional criticism

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4942 on: March 14, 2022, 12:21:19 PM »
Maybe instead of downplaying it & trying to keep up an appearance of two sides in a debate, why don't you click through the link and see their Denmark data is obviously blatantly wrong?

Here are screenshots, so all you have to do is verify I didn't fabricate them





I had no intention of downplaying it, but have a hard time accepting a blanket "its BS" if you didn't even check if they give an explanation of why their model differs from those official numbers.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4943 on: March 14, 2022, 12:25:07 PM »
excusing covid-deniers,


Ironic that you are calling the fist peer reviewed study to place total COVID deaths anywhere near this level covid deniers. LOL.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4944 on: March 14, 2022, 12:59:36 PM »
I've posted black & white evidence it's garbage. Can you actually defend it?
All the peer reviews in the world won't turn night into day, as you very well know.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4945 on: March 14, 2022, 01:07:19 PM »
I based totally on your claim without verifying and therefore called it that. Do they give any reasoning as to why they didn't just use the numbers you are pointing to?
I'm sorry but this is incredibly lazy of you. If you post something, and someone challenges it, you don't get to say to the other guy, "but did you read the details which might counter your challenges?" It's on you to read the details and respond.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4946 on: March 14, 2022, 01:44:24 PM »
I'm sorry but this is incredibly lazy of you. If you post something, and someone challenges it, you don't get to say to the other guy, "but did you read the details which might counter your challenges?" It's on you to read the details and respond.
Sorry if like saying I have an alternate data set so I will call it BS without bothering to read it?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4947 on: March 14, 2022, 01:46:10 PM »
Sorry if like saying I have an alternate data set so I will call it BS without bothering to read it?
Western government death counts aren't an 'alternate data set', they're reality

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4948 on: March 14, 2022, 01:55:40 PM »
Sorry if like saying I have an alternate data set so I will call it BS without bothering to read it?
How is that any worse than you posting the link in the first place without bothering to read all the details?!?!? And if you read it but not well enough to explain the discrepancy, that's not any better in context of you demanding he read it to find the answer.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4949 on: March 14, 2022, 02:00:02 PM »
How is that any worse than you posting the link in the first place without bothering to read all the details?!?!? And if you read it but not well enough to explain the discrepancy, that's not any better in context of you demanding he read it to find the answer.
You are comparing posting a link with no opinion to someone calling it BS? Seriously?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4950 on: March 14, 2022, 02:16:04 PM »
You are comparing posting a link with no opinion to someone calling it BS? Seriously?
I'm not talking about you posting the link - I'm totally fine with people posting links they don't agree with, links they didn't fully delve into, etc to spark discussion (and I know you do it all the time). I'm talking about the follow-up discussion where by responding to him you're at the very least taking a sort of opinion by trying to play devil's advocate - without having read the details yourself. You can't hide behind being 'with no opinion' in order to excuse not knowing all the details in the same breath as telling him he can't argue against it without having read all the details.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4951 on: March 14, 2022, 03:07:03 PM »
I'm not talking about you posting the link - I'm totally fine with people posting links they don't agree with, links they didn't fully delve into, etc to spark discussion (and I know you do it all the time). I'm talking about the follow-up discussion where by responding to him you're at the very least taking a sort of opinion by trying to play devil's advocate - without having read the details yourself. You can't hide behind being 'with no opinion' in order to excuse not knowing all the details in the same breath as telling him he can't argue against it without having read all the details.

I just found it more than a bit presumtuous to use such strong language about a peer reviewed article in a reputable journal without even making the effort to see if they addressed the question at all.There is a difference between asking a question about it or even calling it suspect and calling it BS.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4953 on: March 15, 2022, 10:46:03 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4954 on: March 15, 2022, 10:51:56 AM »
I just found it more than a bit presumtuous to use such strong language about a peer reviewed article in a reputable journal without even making the effort to see if they addressed the question at all.There is a difference between asking a question about it or even calling it suspect and calling it BS.
Overwhelming evidence was posted in this thread that the study you posted is false. Any form of legitimacy you try to give it is outright dishonest of you. If you don't know how to take a position, you stand for nothing.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4955 on: March 15, 2022, 10:58:35 AM »
Overwhelming evidence was posted in this thread that the study you posted is false. Any form of legitimacy you try to give it is outright dishonest of you. If you don't know how to take a position, you stand for nothing.
#VaccinesWork
Only if they did not give any reasoning for what they did.

You are absolutely right that I stand for nothing here. I was surprised by the abstract of the study but did not yet have a chance to read the nitty gritty to see what issues they address. Your questions sound like strong and very obvious ones that are even more surprising if they were not addressed at any point in the review process. I therefore do not have a stand to take. I definitely would call it questionable at this point.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4956 on: March 15, 2022, 11:10:22 AM »
Only if they did not give any reasoning for what they did.

You are absolutely right that I stand for nothing here. I was surprised by the abstract of the study but did not yet have a chance to read the nitty gritty to see what issues they address. Your questions sound like strong and very obvious ones that are even more surprising if they were not addressed at any point in the review process. I therefore do not have a stand to take. I definitely would call it questionable at this point.


So are you calling the flip side Danish government death count questionable? Or are you closing your eyes to their conflicting data posted upthread?

Seems more like you're feigning ignorance to try to make it appear within the spectrum of legitimacy.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #4957 on: March 15, 2022, 12:12:27 PM »

So are you calling the flip side Danish government death count questionable? Or are you closing your eyes to their conflicting data posted upthread?

Seems more like you're feigning ignorance to try to make it appear within the spectrum of legitimacy.
No I am just wondering if there is a good explanation for why they used the numbers  they did
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