COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

[yelped]

Raise your hand if you haven't been vaccinated.
Now take that hand and slap the sh*t out of yourself.
That sound you hear is your hand asking, "are you f'n stupid?"

ETA: This was on a comedy special, and I just couldn't stop laughing. This is the PC version. 

Is this comedy show from early 2021? Because otherwise, I would tell the host, "right on you".

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/KolHaolam/status/1620538350666145792

[AsherO]

https://twitter.com/KolHaolam/status/1620538350666145792

So no masking requirements?

[aygart]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

[CountValentine]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

What is the current scorecard? 

[Yehuda57]

What is the current scorecard? 

Here are some things that have been proven correct that if they were said would get you banned/censored on social media, or if you were a public official, get called a conspiracy theorist, disinformation spreader, or "grandma killer" in MSM:

Source of Covid
Efficacy of masks /mask mandates
Efficacy of school closures
Harms of school closures
Covid infection being as or more effective than vaccines

And probably more that I'm missing

[CountValentine]

Source of Covid

This has been proven? Where and when?

[Yehuda57]

This has been proven? Where and when?

Sorry, not proven 1000%, I don't know that that would be possible, but yet another agency says a lab leak is the most likely source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

[CountValentine]

Sorry, not proven

That would be accurate from your link. Not even going to address your other claims about items being proven.

2 agencies say lab
5 agencies say natural transmission from an infected animal
2 agencies undecided

[Yehuda57]

Not even going to address your other claims about items being proven.

Hmmm, and why would that be?

Every study that comes out now, such as the Cochrane review on masks, the Lancet on infection vs vaccine, etc. keep pushing the truth further and further to the side of the "conspiracy theorists".

BTW, if you go back to the beginning of the mask debates on this forum, you can see that I was extremely harsh and sharp against the anti maskers. Even later on, after the summer of 2020 when pretty much everyone in my community was done with masks, I was one of a handful of people wearing them. I was following people who ended up being dead wrong. I'm not finding studies to prove myself right.

[S209]

Every study that comes out now, such as the Cochrane review on masks, the Lancet on infection vs vaccine, etc. keep pushing the truth further and further to the side of the "conspiracy theorists".

This is untrue, but the affect heuristic would have you believe this. Nobody’s posting the countless studies and medical opinions in support of masking, vaccines, etc. anymore.

[CountValentine]

Hmmm, and why would that be?

Because you used a false narrative for the first item so need to go further.

[Yehuda57]

Because you used a false narrative for the first item so need to go further.

My terminology was too strong in the OP, I retracted it. Not proven, but research is keeps pointing in that direction. A story posted in the WSJ and NYT is hardly "a false narrative".

Something doesn't need to be proved 100% correct without reasonable doubt for it to be considered a valid viewpoint. Politicians and parents who wanted to keep schools open were called murderers. Not by randos on Twitter, but by other law and policymakers.

This is untrue, but the affect heuristic would have you believe this. Nobody’s posting the countless studies and medical opinions in support of masking, vaccines, etc. anymore.

Note I didn't say vaccines, I said vaccines vs infection. This forum is one place that was never treated as a conspiracy theory, unlike MSM and public health policy.
And where are the "countless" pro mask mandate studies coming out?

Keep in mind, we are talking about things that had severe personal and professional consequences for those who dared counter the "narrative". It's not enough to say there is plenty of evidence coming out the other way that we don't hear about. There needs to be a huge public reckoning, Non-covid vaccination rates are dropping, and trust in public health officials is shot. I don't know what it will take for it to be restored, but pretending that people weren't shut down for sharing legitimate opinions is definitely not going to help.

[CountValentine]

My terminology was too strong in the OP, I retracted it. Not proven, but research is keeps pointing in that direction. A story posted in the WSJ and NYT is hardly "a false narrative".

The article was not a false narrative. The article makes it clear there is no consensus where it started and the majority either think it was from animals or don't know.

[Yehuda57]

The article was not a false narrative. The article makes it clear there is no consensus where it started and the majority either think it was from animals or don't know.

Again, according to all agencies, the lab leak is a real possibility. People who claimed that had their accounts shut down on social media, had fact-checkers label the as conspiracy theorists. These are big deals - for a politician to have their words labels as BS is massive. When you build a business based on social media following and they shut you down, that's a very costly punishment.

What are the agencies that have not concluded or concluded animal source? How many are under the umbrella of the NIH or closely linked with the NIH, which has a vested interest in it not being confirmed as a lab leak?

[CountValentine]

Again, according to all agencies, the lab leak is a real possibility. People who claimed that had their accounts shut down on social media, had fact-checkers label the as conspiracy theorists. These are big deals - for a politician to have their words labels as BS is massive. When you build a business based on social media following and they shit you down, that's a very costly punishment.

What are the agencies that have not concluded or concluded animal source? How many are under the umbrella of the NIH or closely linked with the NIH, which has a vested interest in it not being confirmed as a lab leak?

I agree it is a possibility that it was a lab leak. The article points to a higher probability it was from an animal or as I feel, that just don't know with any confidence. Even the two agencies that claim a lab leak use the term moderate confidence. Laymen's terms that means 50/50.

[Yehuda57]

I agree it is a possibility that it was a lab leak. The article points to a higher probability it was from an animal or as I feel, that just don't know with any confidence. Even the two agencies that claim a lab leak use the term moderate confidence. Laymen's terms that means 50/50.

Ok, so it was highly irresponsible and reckless for MSM, public health officials, and major social media companies to punish people who espoused a perfectly legitimate opinion, yes?

[CountValentine]

Ok, so it was highly irresponsible and reckless for MSM, public health officials, and major social media companies to punish people who espoused a perfectly legitimate opinion, yes?

If what you are claiming is true then yes.
IIRC wasn't the lab angle also coupled with the weaponized angle? The weaponized angle has a major consensus of being false.

[ckmk47]

Here are some things that have been proven correct that if they were said would get you banned/censored on social media, or if you were a public official, get called a conspiracy theorist, disinformation spreader, or "grandma killer" in MSM:

Source of Covid
Efficacy of masks /mask mandates
Efficacy of school closures
Harms of school closures
Covid infection being as or more effective than vaccines

And probably more that I'm missing

natural immunity

[S209]

And where are the "countless" pro mask mandate studies coming out?

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi9069

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9036942/

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119266119

https://publichealth.jmir.org/2023/1/e42616

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2021.01072