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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5180 on: November 15, 2024, 11:13:21 AM »
Even if what you’re saying is true, you can’t fault anyone for being afraid considering what was going on.
But we can admit and learn, which hopefully is happening
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5181 on: November 15, 2024, 11:20:24 AM »
Hindsight is 2020. Literally.

Yes, it’s also the agenda of the COVID deniers to amplify the sentiment that the reaction to COVID was overblown because it supposedly confirms their position.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5182 on: November 15, 2024, 11:21:36 AM »
But we can admit and learn, which hopefully is happening

I don’t think the US is any more prepared for the next pandemic, perhaps less so with all the distrust.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5183 on: November 15, 2024, 11:26:03 AM »
I don’t think the US is any more prepared for the next pandemic, perhaps less so with all the distrust.
I think if God forbid it happened again, there would be way more resistance to doing anything.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5184 on: November 15, 2024, 11:27:08 AM »
I think if God forbid it happened again, there would be way more resistance to doing anything.

I wouldn’t call that a policy change, which is why I wouldn’t say anything was learned. But yes, behaviors might be very different, and that might not be a good thing (because perhaps caution might actually be warranted next time, e.g. if it’s more contagious/deadly ch”v).
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5185 on: November 15, 2024, 11:30:26 AM »
Many people who were directly involved in caring for victims during these first few weeks are of the opinion that the severity of the situation at the time and the number of deaths were directly correlated with the fear instilled upon healthcare workers. So essentially they say that the first two weeks of lockdown were actually responsible for many of these deaths.

But it might have been a catch22, because people were getting sick and many of them would end up needing to be hospitalized so as long as the situation in the hospitals didn't calm down it was imperative to keep as many people as possible out of the hospital.

A lot of it very clearly had to do with not understanding how to treat the conditions and intubation was often not the right way to go. After seeing what was going on in China, the fears were absolutely rational, and therefore, it was imperative to give somewhat of a pause to slow things at the beginning and create proper protocols. This means a short lockdown period made sense even with zero long term spread prevention.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5186 on: November 15, 2024, 11:50:05 AM »
I wouldn’t call that a policy change, which is why I wouldn’t say anything was learned. But yes, behaviors might be very different, and that might not be a good thing (because perhaps caution might actually be warranted next time, e.g. if it’s more contagious/deadly ch”v).
100%. Which is probably the biggest problem with dishonest policy.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5187 on: November 15, 2024, 11:53:05 AM »
I don’t think the US is any more prepared for the next pandemic, perhaps less so with all the distrust.
At the rate we're going with vaccinations we'll have another polio pandemic in the next decade

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5188 on: November 17, 2024, 12:43:56 AM »
100%. Which is probably the biggest problem with dishonest policy.

The agitators want to amplify this because they are distrustful and want to spread the distrust. That's the only "learning" they care for.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5189 on: November 17, 2024, 12:45:49 AM »
The agitators want to amplify this because they are distrustful and want to spread the distrust. That's the only "learning" they care for.
Everyone will amplify anything that advances their agenda, but someone dishonest shouldn't be shocked that they lost people's trust.In order to be trusted one must be trustworthy.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5190 on: November 17, 2024, 08:56:44 AM »
Everyone will amplify anything that advances their agenda, but someone dishonest shouldn't be shocked that they lost people's trust.In order to be trusted one must be trustworthy.

I agree. My point is that most of the people pointing out the lies aren't calling for an overhaul/learning from it to do things differently next time.
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« Reply #5191 on: November 17, 2024, 10:00:35 AM »
I agree. My point is that most of the people pointing out the lies aren't calling for an overhaul/learning from it to do things differently next time.

It isn't an easy thing to learn from one's own mistakes and even harder to learn from someone else's.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5192 on: November 17, 2024, 10:16:46 AM »
I agree. My point is that most of the people pointing out the lies aren't calling for an overhaul/learning from it to do things differently next time.
This is just commentary on the sad state of politics in our country

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« Reply #5193 on: November 17, 2024, 10:58:29 AM »
It isn't an easy thing to learn from one's own mistakes and even harder to learn from someone else's.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #5194 on: November 23, 2024, 08:42:11 PM »


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« Reply #5195 on: November 23, 2024, 08:46:39 PM »
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« Reply #5197 on: November 29, 2024, 05:42:51 AM »
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The risk of a bird flu pandemic is rising
Human cases in the US are on the rise and the virus is turning up in cows and dairy products. Luckily, we have some vaccines ready to go if needed.

By Jessica Hamzelou
November 29, 2024
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How worried should we be about bird flu? It’s a question that I’ve been asked by friends and colleagues several times over the last couple of weeks. Their concerns have been spurred by some potentially worrisome developments in the US, including the continued spread of the virus among dairy cattle, the detection of the virus in a pig as well as cow’s milk, and—most concerning of all—the growing number of human infections.

I’ll admit that I'm worried. We don’t yet have any evidence that the virus is spreading between people, but the risk of a potential pandemic has increased since I last covered this topic a couple of months ago.

And once you combine that increased risk with an upcoming change in presidential administration that might leave US health agencies in the hands of a vaccine denier who promotes the consumption of raw milk, well … it’s not exactly a comforting thought.

The good news is we are in a much better position to tackle any potential future flu outbreaks than we were to face covid-19 back in 2020, given that we already have vaccines. But, on the whole, it’s not looking great.

The bird flu that is currently spreading in US dairy cattle is caused by the H5N1 virus. The virus is especially lethal to some bird populations and has been wiping out poultry and seabirds for the last couple of years. It has also caused fatal infections in many mammals who came into contact with those birds.

H5N1 was first detected in a dairy cow in Texas in March of this year. As of this week, the virus has been reported in 675 herds across 15 states, according to the US Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (also known as APHIS).

Those are just the cases we know about. There may be more. The USDA requires testing of cattle before they are moved between states. And it offers a voluntary testing program for farmers who want to know if the virus is present in their bulk milk tanks. But participation in that program is optional.

States have their own rules. Colorado has required testing of bulk milk tanks in licensed dairy farms since July. The Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture announced plans for a program just last week. But some states have no such requirements.

At the end of October, the USDA reported that the virus had been detected in a pig for the first time. The pig was one of five in a farm in Oregon that had “a mix of poultry and livestock.” All the pigs were slaughtered.

Virologists have been especially worried about the virus making its way into pigs, because these animals are notorious viral incubators. “They can become infected with swine strains, bird strains and human strains,” says Brinkley Bellotti, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Wake Forest University in North Carolina. These strains can swap genes and give rise to new, potentially more infectious or harmful strains.

Thankfully, we haven’t seen any other cases in pig farms, and there’s no evidence that the virus can spread between pigs. And while it has been spreading pretty rapidly between cattle, the virus doesn’t seem to have evolved much, says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at the Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta, Georgia. That suggests that the virus made the leap into cattle, probably from birds, only once. And it has been spreading through herds since.

Unfortunately, we still don’t really know how it is spreading. There is some evidence to suggest the virus can be spread from cow to cow through shared milking equipment. But it is unclear how the virus is spreading between farms. “It’s hard to form an effective control strategy when you don’t know exactly how it’s spreading,” says Bellotti.

But it is in cows. And it’s in their milk. When scientists analyzed 297 samples of Grade A pasteurized retail milk products, including milk, cream and cheese, they found viral RNA from H5N1 in 20% of them. Those samples were collected from 17 states across the US. And the study was conducted in April, just weeks after the virus was first detected in cattle. “It’s surprising to me that we are totally fine with … our pasteurized milk products containing viral DNA,” says Lakdawala.

Research suggests that, as long as the milk is pasteurized, the virus is not infectious. But Lakdawala is concerned that pasteurization may not inactivate all of the virus, all the time. “We don’t know how much virus we need to ingest [to become infected], and whether any is going to slip through pasteurization,” she says.

And no reassurances can be made for unpasteurized raw milk. When cows are infected with H5N1, their milk can turn thick, yellow and “chunky.” But research has shown that, even when the milk starts to look normal again, it can still contain potentially infectious virus.

The most concerning development, though, is the rise in human cases. So far, 55 such cases of H5N1 bird flu have been reported in the US, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Twenty-nine of those cases have been detected in California. In almost all those cases, the infected person is thought to have caught the virus from cattle or poultry on farms. But in two of those cases, the source of the infection is unknown.

Health professionals don’t know how a teenager in British Columbia, Canada, got so sick with bird flu, either. The anonymous teenager, who sought medical care for an eye infection on November 2, is still seriously ill in hospital, and continues to rely on a ventilator to breathe. Local health officials have closed their investigation into the teen’s infection.

There may be more, unreported cases out there, too. When researchers tested 115 dairy farm workers in Michigan and Colorado, they found markers of recent infection with the virus in 7% of them.

So far, there is no evidence that the virus can spread between people. But every human infection offers the virus another opportunity to evolve into a form that can do just that. People can act as viral incubators, too. And during flu season, there are more chances for the H5N1 virus to mix with circulating seasonal flu viruses.

“Just because we [haven’t seen human-to-human spread] now doesn’t mean that it’s not capable of happening, that it won’t happen, or that it hasn’t already happened,” says Lakdawala.

So where do we go from here? Lakdawala thinks we should already have started vaccinating dairy farm workers. After all, the US has already stockpiled vaccines for H5N1, which were designed to protect against previous variants of the virus. “We’re not taking [the human cases] seriously enough,” she says.

We need to get a better handle on exactly how the virus is spreading, too, and implement more effective measures to stop it from doing so. That means more testing of both cows and dairy farm workers at the very least. And we need to be clear that, despite what Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the current lead contender for the role of head of the US Department of Health and Human Services, says, raw milk can be dangerous, and vaccines are a vital tool in the prevention of pandemics.

We still have an opportunity to prevent the outbreak from turning into a global catastrophe. But the situation has worsened since the summer. “This is sort of how the 2009 pandemic started,” says Lakdawala, referring to the H1N1 swine flu pandemic. “We started to have a couple of cases sporadically, and then the next thing you knew, you were seeing it everywhere.”
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