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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #341 on: March 03, 2020, 12:00:59 PM »
all of a sudden YWN is legit on here?

The schools are closed so I dont understand the skepticism. Are you doubting that his name?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #342 on: March 03, 2020, 12:06:07 PM »
The schools are closed so I dont understand the skepticism. Are you doubting that his name?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #343 on: March 03, 2020, 12:15:22 PM »
Read somewhere that hand sanitizer only kills bacteria, not viruses. Anyone know if that's true?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #344 on: March 03, 2020, 12:18:21 PM »
Read somewhere that hand sanitizer only kills bacteria, not viruses. Anyone know if that's true?
Fake news. Make sure it has at least 60% alcohol content thou.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #345 on: March 03, 2020, 12:31:16 PM »
Given the incubation period and the fact that it’s a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.

No, all it means that there was exposure to someone who had the virus, not that the virus itself was contracted.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #346 on: March 03, 2020, 12:53:56 PM »
No, all it means that there was exposure to someone who had the virus, not that the virus itself was contracted.
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There’s no guarantee that it was transmitted but given the pattern we’ve seen with the virus if he went to shul while contagious and there is a lag time where people are contagious before onset of symptoms there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #347 on: March 03, 2020, 12:54:06 PM »

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #348 on: March 03, 2020, 12:57:04 PM »
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If he went to shul while contagious and there is a lag time where people are contagious before onset of symptoms there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community.

I don't know how you can draw the conclusion that he spread the virus. Yes he was in the same shul with people, but that only means that they were exposed to someone with the virus, not that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him."

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #349 on: March 03, 2020, 01:00:23 PM »
I don't know how you can draw the conclusion that he spread the virus. Yes he was in the same shul with people, but that only means that they were exposed to someone with the virus, not that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him."
Doesn't there being exposed create a likeleyhood that was not there had they not been exposed?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #350 on: March 03, 2020, 01:10:10 PM »
Doesn't there being exposed create a likeleyhood that was not there had they not been exposed?

Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."

Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.

Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.

Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #351 on: March 03, 2020, 01:20:13 PM »
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.

I would think that the likelihood of infected person A not having the virus on his hands and of person B not touching his mouth, nose or eyes without proper washing UNLESS THERE WAS AN ACUTE AWARENESS is extremely low.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #352 on: March 03, 2020, 01:22:35 PM »
I would think that the likelihood of infected person A not having the virus on his hands and of person B not touching his mouth, nose or eyes without proper washing UNLESS THERE WAS AN ACUTE AWARENESS is extremely low.
+1000, additionally if Person A touched a door etc. it can easily have spread to many people. I think even with awareness the chances of everyone "doing everything right" is very low.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #353 on: March 03, 2020, 01:24:42 PM »
What is the reasoning behind the school closings today? To disinfect the schools is one thing but if any of the kids or staff ch'v did get infected they will just bring it back tomorrow so what was gained other then adding to the hysteria?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #354 on: March 03, 2020, 01:27:20 PM »
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The following message was sent by Rabbi Aaron Glatt, MD, a specialist in infectious diseases, the assistant rabbi and the Young Israel if Woodmere, and father of former K.I.N.S. members, Ari and Michelle Glatt.

May you have a Shabbat Shalom, and may all who are affected by this illness have a refuah shlaima!


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While the new novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has caused illness that has been widely covered in the news media, and the number of cases worldwide has grown substantially with 80,000+ confirmed cases worldwide in about 40 countries, there are still no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York State or the New York metropolitan region. However, with the first case of unclear transmission in the US just described in California, we wanted to update our shul goers.
There are currently no specific recommendations for shuls, although we will continue to update the shul should new information become available.
If you have not traveled to an area where COVID-19 is prevalent or been in close contact with a traveler, and you develop respiratory symptoms, it remains likely that you have a seasonal illness like the flu rather than COVID-19.
At the present time, we urge common-sense and regular hand washing (as appropriate), with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer if soap and water are not available.
Good personal hygiene practices, including covering coughs and sneezes are also important. To do this optimally, cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, and then throw the tissue in the trash and wash your hands. If you don’t have a tissue available, cough or sneeze into your elbow.
Other appropriate actions include avoiding touching your eyes, nose and mouth and disinfect objects and surfaces that are frequently handled.
At this time, we do not have a strict recommendation against hand shaking or kissing the sefer Torah or mezzuzos for people who are not at all sick. Use common sense.
The CDC does NOT recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. Facemasks should only be used by lay people who have symptoms of respiratory diseases, and who must be in public - to help prevent the spread of the disease to others.
Most importantly, several great poskim have personally told me and clearly stated that one must stay home and not go to shul if you are sick with a potentially contagious respiratory illness.
This is a good time to remind everyone that over 30,000,000 people in the US this season have gotten flu, with between 16,000-30,000 deaths, including over 100 children. Flu vaccination is still indicated! By not getting or transmitting flu, you will not only save lives, but you will greatly help doctors who will have less patients to evaluate with unknown respiratory illnesses.
We should make sure there are alcohol-based hand sanitizers in the lobby areas. Custodial staff should be diligently cleaning our shuls and checking dispensers for hand soap and hand sanitizer to ensure that they are filled at all times.
If you recently traveled to a country with ongoing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19: As long as you are asymptomatic, you are probably not a risk to others. However, it is prudent to check your temperature twice a day and monitor for any respiratory symptoms for at least 14 days from the time you left that country. If you have any symptoms or fever, see your doctor as soon as possible, but call the office or center first so they can appropriately isolate you upon entry to the office before they evaluate you.
May our teffilos be accepted by Hashem and may this epidemic soon end.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #355 on: March 03, 2020, 01:30:01 PM »
What is the reasoning behind the school closings today? To disinfect the schools is one thing but if any of the kids or staff ch'v did get infected they will just bring it back tomorrow so what was gained other then adding to the hysteria?
My guess is they closed for one day and are reevaluating and will probably be closed for a few weeks.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #356 on: March 03, 2020, 01:41:37 PM »
Interesting why no one is reporting where he caught it from
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #357 on: March 03, 2020, 01:45:54 PM »
Interesting why no one is reporting where he caught it from
Because no one knows
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #358 on: March 03, 2020, 02:21:17 PM »
Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."

Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.

Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.

Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."

I sincerely hope you turn out to be right. Unfortunately I highly doubt it.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #359 on: March 03, 2020, 02:30:18 PM »
I sincerely hope you turn out to be right. Unfortunately I highly doubt it.

Here's my non-rabbinical take on this as far as going to shul.

It comes down to shomer pesayim Hashem vs  ein somchin al ha neis.

If you know that the community has an outbreak then don't go to shul where the outbreak is because ein somchin al ha neis.

In the absence of actual knowledge of an issue - shomer pesayim Hashem and go on with your normal avodas Hashem.

I'm going to conduct myself this way until my Rav advises to the contrary.