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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #900 on: March 17, 2020, 07:25:53 AM »
Still the elephant in the room. There are hundreds of families that I know and probably millions that won't have money to buy food within a few days.
Any solutions?
I'm working with our federation but that's still at least a week out and probably longer.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #901 on: March 17, 2020, 07:29:13 AM »
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #902 on: March 17, 2020, 07:49:57 AM »
Is it true Lakewood schools are all open???

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #903 on: March 17, 2020, 07:53:48 AM »
This is panic selling and a great opportunity for people to get back into the market.  Apple would have fell (not that much) regardless due tot he judgement against them. Closing the market will only restrict peoples access to cash and is a terrible idea.
I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #904 on: March 17, 2020, 08:40:08 AM »
I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!

Your post is obvious panic! You really think anyone is taking cues and markets will close due to a DDMS post?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #905 on: March 17, 2020, 08:40:48 AM »
I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!

Stop your fear mongering. Stop your lies about China and Hong Kong and other Asian countries that have gone back to 80-90% of normal. All Apple stores are open in China. Shoppers are back to the stores and factories are up and running. The US will get there in about 1-2 months time and things will move on. Yes it will cost the country a lot but we have been through worse.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #906 on: March 17, 2020, 08:59:26 AM »
You really think anyone is taking cues and markets will close due to a DDMS post?
Who said that? I said he is delusional and doesn't understand how markets work.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #907 on: March 17, 2020, 09:01:54 AM »
Stop your fear mongering. Stop your lies about China and Hong Kong and other Asian countries that have gone back to 80-90% of normal. All Apple stores are open in China. Shoppers are back to the stores and factories are up and running. The US will get there in about 1-2 months time and things will move on. Yes it will cost the country a lot but we have been through worse.
Lies? Where did I say anything about China or Hong Kong?

All your info comes from one source. See my signature.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #908 on: March 17, 2020, 09:04:48 AM »
Lies? Where did I say anything about China or Hong Kong?

All your info comes from one source. See my signature.

I am sorry what has Trump said about China?!?!?

I am quoting APPLE themselves Starbucks Disney who have said they reopened every thing.  Are you denying that things have gotten better there?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #909 on: March 17, 2020, 09:06:56 AM »
Who said that? I said he is delusional and doesn't understand how markets work.
Would that be the first delusional or clueless post on DDF? Since when do we ask people to stop posting their respectful opinions on DDF?
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« Reply #910 on: March 17, 2020, 09:07:10 AM »
I am quoting APPLE themselves Starbucks Disney who have said they reopened every thing.  Are you denying that things have gotten better there?
Better where? You think I give a rats *ss about China?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #911 on: March 17, 2020, 09:10:13 AM »
Would that be the first delusional or clueless post on DDF? Since when do we ask people to stop posting their respectful opinions on DDF?
You need to at least try different approaches with delusional individuals.  :P
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #912 on: March 17, 2020, 09:11:30 AM »
Better where? You think I give a rats *ss about China?

Considering China and South Korea are the first to have gotten infected and the fact that they are now coming out from the worst after 2 months shows us that the end is not near and that shutting the stock market is a brainless move.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #913 on: March 17, 2020, 09:17:14 AM »
Considering China and South Korea are the first to have gotten infected and the fact that they are now coming out from the worst after 2 months shows us that the end is not near and that shutting the stock market is a brainless move.
Who said shut down the stock market?  ::)
I said you don't understand the market if you think this drop is a panic move. Just as your fearless leader thought the Fed cut that he praised was going to help the market. The rate cut was a panic move and now they have nothing left.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #914 on: March 17, 2020, 09:38:00 AM »
Quote from: Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus? - The New York Times
Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?
With “social distancing” now widely adopted nationwide, a small group of contrarians urge a more careful weighing of the harm as well as the benefits of such policies.



 
As an America desperate to stem the coronavirus outbreak put in place sweeping restrictions last week on every facet of public life, the University of Wyoming economist Linda Thunstrom asked what felt like a taboo question: “Are we overreacting?’’

It helped that Dr. Thunstrom was in her kitchen, drinking coffee with her husband, Jason Shogren, a fellow economist who studies how much Americans are willing to pay to reduce risk of threats like terrorism, food-borne illness and climate change.

Calculating the economic costs of curtailing social interaction compared with the lives saved, he agreed, might yield a useful metric for policymakers. The U.S. government routinely performs such analyses when assessing new regulations, with the “statistical value of life” currently pegged by one government agency at about $9 million.

Still, Dr. Thunstrum asked, “Do we even want to look at that? Is it too callous?”

No one wants to be seen as prioritizing profit or, say, youth soccer over saving lives. But in recent days, a group of contrarian political leaders, ethicists and ordinary Americans have bridled at what they saw as a tendency to dismiss the complex trade-offs that the measures collectively known as “social distancing” entail.

Besides the financial ramifications of such policies, their concerns touch on how society’s most marginalized groups may fare and on the effect of government-enforced curfews on democratic ideals. Their questions about the current approach are distinct from those raised by some conservative activists who have suggested the virus is a politically inspired hoax, or no worse than the flu,

Even in the face of a mounting coronavirus death toll, and the widespread adoption of the social distancing approach, these critics say it is important to acknowledge all the consequences of decisions intended to mitigate the virus’s spread.

Some college students who were abruptly ushered off campus last week complain that they are more likely to infect higher-risk older adults at home than they were at college. Among the throngs who have been ordered to self-quarantine, some people question the purpose of isolating themselves if the virus is already circulating widely in their communities. Certain parents balk at the pressure from friends to withdraw their children from schools that are still open, or at what they see as group-think that has prompted the cancellation of events that are still weeks or months away.

And how do you weigh the risk of an unknown number of deaths against the possibility that several hundred thousand students who depend on free lunch at school will go hungry? Or against other lives that may be lost in an economic contraction born of social isolation?

“We have to give due seriousness to this disease breaking out across the globe,” said Nicholas Evans, a philosophy professor at the University of Massachusetts Lowell who has criticized Harvard University for failing to put a comprehensive plan in place for financially disadvantaged students before announcing a move to online classes. “At the same time, we have to think about equity and the way the risks and benefits of measures we take are distributed.”

Until he reversed course on Sunday under mounting pressure, Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City had suggested that there was a lack of evidence that closing the nation’s largest school district would significantly slow the virus’s spread.

What such a closure would do, he said before reversing himself, would be to force parents to stay home, including those who work in the hospitals that are expected to fill with coronavirus patients. While school districts in Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and elsewhere have shuttered, “we don’t model off anyone else,” the mayor said.

Of course, policies are changing by the day. Malcolm Campbell, a Davidson College biology professor, outfitted his undergraduates early last week in rubber gloves to discourage face-touching. “Still teaching labs and keeping students safe," he tweeted.

But he was bidding those same students goodbye on Friday when Davidson, a liberal arts college in North Carolina, sent students home for an extended spring break.

To some extent, Dr. Campbell said, he understood the school’s choice as rational. About 45 million Americans have been infected by the flu this season, which typically peaks in February, and about 40,000 have died. For the coronavirus, health officials predict between two and six times as many infections, and between four and 40 times as many deaths, in the absence of social distancing or as-yet-nonexistent pharmaceutical interventions.

But Dr. Campbell said he had argued for Davidson to remain open, based on the relatively low risk the virus poses to college-age students, and the virtue of classes like his, which cannot be taught online.

It was hard to escape the conclusion that Davidson, like others, was influenced by social pressure, he said: “It’s like, if you don’t close, then you’re a heartless, cruel organization.”

Perhaps unsurprisingly, given the recent plunge in value to their stock portfolios, some Silicon Valley figures have taken to social media to underscore the economic impact of social distancing.

“The fear is far worse than the virus,” tweeted Tim Draper, a venture capitalist, using the hashtags #corona #dustbowl, #food, #clothing and #shelter. “The governments have it wrong. Stay open for business.”

But America’s hashtag has become something akin to #hunkerdownathome, with a series of closings, suspensions, postponements by businesses and cultural institutions.

Disneyland — closed. The Metropolitan Opera — closed. Shuttered as well are research universities and day care centers, Broadway theaters, Apple stores, local libraries, ski resorts, March Madness and professional basketball, hockey, and baseball.

On Saturday, the mayor of Hoboken, N.J., banned restaurants and bars from providing food, and established a curfew requiring people to be in their homes between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. The next day the governor of Puerto Rico went even further, ordering nearly all businesses to close and imposing a 9 p.m. curfew.

Organizers of professional conferences, political fund-raisers, book talks and shivas have sometimes been chastised in recent days for daring to even consider not canceling their events.

The scientists organizing a Genetics Society of America meeting scheduled for April 22 near Washington, D.C., tried to put off a decision on canceling the gathering until later this month. But the conference joined the list of shuttered professional meetings late last week after some members complained that the delay was creating bad optics for the group.

“People had this feeling, like, ‘Just do something,’” said Denise Montell, a geneticist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and the society’s president, “‘because somebody needs to do something about this virus.’”

Of course, there is plenty of scientific backing for the benefits of social distancing in delaying transmission of the virus.

China’s quarantine measures, a recent paper concludes, helped it cut infections to a fewer than two dozen a day from over 3,500 a day in late January. Restrictions on gatherings in western Washington State have been guided by a model suggesting that such measures could save 400 lives in the region by April 7.

Images that illustrate how slowing the transmission rate could avert a surge in cases that would overwhelm the health system — as they did in Italy — have circulated widely for several weeks under variations of the hashtag #FlattenTheCurve.

“Cancel everything," concluded one political scientist, writing in The Atlantic. “Now.”

Amid the concerns out there that society may be overreacting are a chorus of calls for even bolder action.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday that he favors a 14-day national shutdown to slow down coronavirus. “I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting,” Dr. Fauci said.

But even the many experts who agree on social distancing as an effective remedy worry about some of the fallout. There are civil liberties concerns surrounding quarantines. There is economic hardship for hourly wage workers. Few have thought through how sick people staying in their homes would be cared for.

“We need to give the response to the virus our full attention,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “But we’re following every rabbit that pops out of its hole, as opposed to trying to prioritize responses that have the most impact.”

It may prove impossible to know whether the policies the country adopts were just enough, or more than necessary, to quell the spread of the virus.

That thought has occurred frequently to Rick Wright, an insurance broker in Redwood City who tested positive for the virus after being evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship to a military base in California last month.

He has never felt sick. But because his nose and throat swabs have continued to show evidence of the virus, he has remained in self-quarantine, alone at home, for 19 days after an eight-day stint alone in a San Francisco hospital. He and his wife, who has moved out and is staying with her sister, wave to each other through the window when she drops off food.

“Is it overkill?” he frequently asks himself.

He is not certain. But if he weren’t quarantined, he acknowledged that he might drop in on his elderly parents, who are at higher risk of suffering the effects of the coronavirus.

“We could look back at this time in four months and say, ‘We did the right thing’ — or we could say ‘That was silly,’” he said in an interview.

Then he added one more likely scenario: “Or we might never know.”
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #916 on: March 17, 2020, 09:43:08 AM »
Who said shut down the stock market?  ::)
I said you don't understand the market if you think this drop is a panic move. Just as your fearless leader thought the Fed cut that he praised was going to help the market. The rate cut was a panic move and now they have nothing left.
It is not a panic move, but there is definitely panic involved. How many of the sellers are sitting on 1000 rolls of toilet paper? If they are panicking for other things they are panicking regarding stocks too. Does that mean it will go back to previous highs overnight? Of course not. There are definitely fundamental issues that were instigated by the virus. That does not mean that every point the market drops is from cold calculations. The biggest opportunities have historically come from markets going too far over real concerns.

The Fed cut was definitely a panic move and was viewed by the markets as such. That is part of why the markets shot down from it. Does that mean it wasn't panic or does that mean that the Fed panicking caused everyone else to panic as well? It is too early to tell.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #917 on: March 17, 2020, 09:50:12 AM »
@mods Can we change the title of this thread to "The China Virus"?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #918 on: March 17, 2020, 09:52:18 AM »
It is not a panic move, but there is definitely panic involved. How many of the sellers are sitting on 1000 rolls of toilet paper? If they are panicking for other things they are panicking regarding stocks too. Does that mean it will go back to previous highs overnight? Of course not. There are definitely fundamental issues that were instigated by the virus. That does not mean that every point the market drops is from cold calculations. The biggest opportunities have historically come from markets going too far over real concerns.

The Fed cut was definitely a panic move and was viewed by the markets as such. That is part of why the markets shot down from it. Does that mean it wasn't panic or does that mean that the Fed panicking caused everyone else to panic as well? It is too early to tell.
I am trying to remember a worse economic time in recent history. Does one come to mind for you?

I am actually surprised the market isn't down even more.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #919 on: March 17, 2020, 09:54:15 AM »
I am trying to remember a worse economic time in recent history. Does one come to mind for you?

I am actually surprised the market isn't down even more.
The big question is what will happen the day after. Will all the pent up activity burst out or will there be severe lingering effects and what will they be? There are extreme risks, but they are far from certain. One thing which can prolong any recovery is any sort of handcuffs placed on the economy by socialists.
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