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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1340 on: March 23, 2020, 04:49:42 PM »
Do they have a test yet to see if you are immuned?

Since most people don't get tested they won't know if they had it and if they are immuned.
Nobody knows yet if you're immune if you had it.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1341 on: March 23, 2020, 04:51:08 PM »
Nobody knows yet if you're immune if you had it.
IIRC I’ve seen reports of it coming back in China

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1342 on: March 23, 2020, 04:54:08 PM »
IIRC I’ve seen reports of it coming back in China
Unknown if they ever recovered, if it's another strain, etc.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1343 on: March 23, 2020, 04:55:14 PM »
Nobody knows yet if you're immune if you had it.
the assumption is that yes you are immune but no data

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1344 on: March 23, 2020, 04:58:23 PM »
IIRC I’ve seen reports of it coming back in China

Nothing substantive at this time. Either way, no data out of China can be trusted, they literally kicked out our journalists.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1345 on: March 23, 2020, 04:58:56 PM »
1) Generally, once someone has been exposed to a virus, their immune system develops antibodies geared towards fighting that particular strain of virus. Sometimes those antibodies can last a lifetime other times they only last months or (most often) many years. Regardless, once you've been sick with a particular virus you are immune to the virus for some time. Which is why you won;t get the flu twice in one season (exception being if there are two strains of flu going around in one season).

2) The flu changes every year. It evolves. That's why your immunity to last year's flu won't help you. The yearly flu shot is the best guess of scientists as to what the new flu will be like. Which is why the shot is not even close to 100% effective. Some years it's 35% effective, some years 75%. Because it's only a guess as to the composition of that year's flu strain.

3) No one knows if SARS-Coronovirus-2 will evolve yearly. Current best guesses are that it does not. So once infected and recovered, you will not be susceptible to it again for a long time. Once enough people have developed immunity, either naturally by being infected and recovering or by taking a vaccine (which does not yet exist), we have "herd immunity", which is when enough people are immune that on average, every sick person infects less than one other person. (The average number of people infected by every sick person is know as the R0. If the R0 is less than one, the virus dies out on its own because each person infects less than once other person on average).

4) As to knowing if you had the virus and are immune: the test being done in China would tell you that. The testing being done here in the US does not. Here in the Us we are using a PCR test. A PCR test (put very simply) is the nasal or throat swab, which is then examined for DNA of the virus. If you recovered they will not find any DNA from the virus and will not know if you had it and are immune or if you never had it. In Chine, however, they are doing an antibody test, which is a blood test. This looks for the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV 2 which will indicate if the patient was exposed to the virus and developed antibodies, so this would show up even a year later. It's much more invasive and uncomfortable than the "drive by" swab testing, which is probably why it's not being done here.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1346 on: March 23, 2020, 05:00:48 PM »
Re the discussion on immunity:

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1347 on: March 23, 2020, 05:02:59 PM »
1) Generally, once someone has been exposed to a virus, their immune system develops antibodies geared towards fighting that particular strain of virus. Sometimes those antibodies can last a lifetime other times they only last months or (most often) many years. Regardless, once you've been sick with a particular virus you are immune to the virus for some time. Which is why you won;t get the flu twice in one season (exception being if there are two strains of flu going around in one season).

2) The flu changes every year. It evolves. That's why your immunity to last year's flu won't help you. The yearly flu shot is the best guess of scientists as to what the new flu will be like. Which is why the shot is not even close to 100% effective. Some years it's 35% effective, some years 75%. Because it's only a guess as to the composition of that year's flu strain.

3) No one knows if SARS-Coronovirus-2 will evolve yearly. Current best guesses are that it does not. So once infected and recovered, you will not be susceptible to it again for a long time. Once enough people have developed immunity, either naturally by being infected and recovering or by taking a vaccine (which does not yet exist), we have "herd immunity", which is when enough people are immune that on average, every sick person infects less than one other person. (The average number of people infected by every sick person is know as the R0. If the R0 is less than one, the virus dies out on its own because each person infects less than once other person on average).

4) As to knowing if you had the virus and are immune: the test being done in China would tell you that. The testing being done here in the US does not. Here in the Us we are using a PCR test. A PCR test (put very simply) is the nasal or throat swab, which is then examined for DNA of the virus. If you recovered they will not find any DNA from the virus and will not know if you had it and are immune or if you never had it. In Chine, however, they are doing an antibody test, which is a blood test. This looks for the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV 2 which will indicate if the patient was exposed to the virus and developed antibodies, so this would show up even a year later. It's much more invasive and uncomfortable than the "drive by" swab testing, which is probably why it's not being done here.
Might be more invasive, but I'd take a blood test any day over a COVID swab.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1348 on: March 23, 2020, 05:08:00 PM »
Might be more invasive, but I'd take a blood test any day over a COVID swab.

I agree! For all those moderately sick who want to know if they had COVID19 and are immune or just had a bad cold, having access to a blood test would be very helpful.

to add:

Reports from China were that there were two strains, and L and an S strain. Obviously one can be immune to one and still get the other.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-aggressive-l-type-strain-affecting-70-per-cent-of-cases/

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1349 on: March 23, 2020, 05:09:48 PM »
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1350 on: March 23, 2020, 05:26:17 PM »
Just talked to my nephew at a major hospital. That don't have the proper PPE to treat/test patients. So you can believe a pathological liar or believe those on the front lines risking their lives to help all of us!!!  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1351 on: March 23, 2020, 05:28:10 PM »

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1352 on: March 23, 2020, 05:30:54 PM »
Just talked to my nephew at a major hospital. That don't have the proper PPE to treat/test patients. So you can believe a pathological liar or believe those on the front lines risking their lives to help all of us!!!  >:( >:( >:(

This is a major concern, keeping our medical community (especially those serving infected people) safe should be a high priority for us. Is what does the president’s COVID-19 task force / response team say about this?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1353 on: March 23, 2020, 05:39:31 PM »
This is a major concern, keeping our medical community (especially those serving infected people) safe should be a high priority for us. Is what does the president’s COVID-19 task force / response team say about this?
The task force gives us the rose colored glasses picture about what is available. Then Dr Fauci in a PC way says they just lied to us.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1354 on: March 23, 2020, 05:51:39 PM »
Just talked to my nephew at a major hospital. That don't have the proper PPE to treat/test patients. So you can believe a pathological liar or believe those on the front lines risking their lives to help all of us!!!  >:( >:( >:(
Have them reach out to the governor that should reach out to the regional fema ............
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« Reply #1355 on: March 23, 2020, 05:54:31 PM »
Have them reach out to the governor that should reach out to the regional fema ............
Let me know what happens thanks
I know they already reached out to the governor.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1356 on: March 23, 2020, 06:00:19 PM »
I know they already reached out to the governor.
and the governor reached out to fema? is the blame on trump
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #1357 on: March 23, 2020, 06:01:27 PM »
The task force gives us the rose colored glasses picture about what is available. Then Dr Fauci in a PC way says they just lied to us.
It's a matter of time until Trump will get rid of Dr Fauci. He's already frustrated what all of this have done to the economy and he thinks already to reopen everything after the 15 day period. Certainly not in line with Dr Fauci's approach.

Just wait for this;  "Little Footchi was an absolute disgrace for our country, he didn't do anything besides creating hysteria and panic. Frankly, nobody in the CDC liked him. I am happy to announce that Little Footchi is fired."

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« Reply #1358 on: March 23, 2020, 06:05:10 PM »
Just wait for this;  "Little Footchi was an absolute disgrace for our country, he didn't do anything besides creating hysteria and panic. Frankly, nobody in the CDC liked him. I am happy to announce that Little Footchi is fired."
I give Trump credit for being the master of spin. IMHO there will be no way to spin this.

I can't believe the left has not done this poll yet. Who do you trust more: Dr Fauci or Trump.
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« Reply #1359 on: March 23, 2020, 06:11:00 PM »
Just talked to my nephew at a major hospital. That don't have the proper PPE to treat/test patients. So you can believe a pathological liar or believe those on the front lines risking their lives to help all of us!!!  >:( >:( >:(
what state?