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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2000 on: April 22, 2020, 12:23:38 PM »
Whoever doesn't want to get it should stay home. The same way you can say to stay home to save countless lives every day from car accidents, construction accidents etx
And the same way we say that anyone who doesn't want to get hit by a drunk driver should stay off the roads instead of trying to prevent drunk driving.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2002 on: April 22, 2020, 01:27:43 PM »
Yid at the head of the Union. They rescinded this
Is it so pashut? Wouldn't Halacha mandate that if  there's one patient who's almost certainly going to die and one who will likely live with immediate medical attention, that the one likely to survive gets preferential treatment?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2003 on: April 22, 2020, 02:59:51 PM »
And the same way we say that anyone who doesn't want to get hit by a drunk driver should stay off the roads instead of trying to prevent drunk driving.
And on the same note we let 3k people die a day worldwide from car accidents. We are not saying stay home /  shelter in place / kill the economy, to save 3k lives.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2004 on: April 22, 2020, 03:06:42 PM »
And on the same note we let 3k people die a day worldwide from car accidents. We are not saying stay home /  shelter in place / kill the economy, to save 3k lives.
Moronic. For many reasons. I wont bark up this tree with you again. But for some context, more people have died of corona in the US over the last month than total traffic fatalities in the year in the US that saw the highest number of traffic fatalities EVER.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2005 on: April 22, 2020, 03:07:57 PM »
And on the same note we let 3k people die a day worldwide from car accidents. We are not saying stay home /  shelter in place / kill the economy, to save 3k lives.

you're smarter than this  8)

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2006 on: April 22, 2020, 03:31:06 PM »
Moronic. For many reasons. I wont bark up this tree with you again. But for some context, more people have died of corona in the US over the last month than total traffic fatalities in the year in the US that saw the highest number of traffic fatalities EVER.

you're smarter than this  8)

The questions we have to ask;
how does it affect different age groups etc.?
How fatal is this virus?
And a simple CBA of a SHELTER IN PLACE vs going about our daily lives with some common sense measures ?
it's not moronic to point out that 40k people die in the US annually from car accidents and never did we say "lets discuss banning cars"   

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2007 on: April 22, 2020, 03:33:56 PM »
common sense measures
These are rarely if ever common or sensical.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2008 on: April 22, 2020, 03:35:22 PM »

it's not moronic to point out that 40k people die in the US annually from car accidents and never did we say "lets discuss banning cars"   

We most definitely should discuss regulating who can get behind the wheel of a car and how to get rid of drivers who are unsafe. A great idea may be to require driveres to be licensed
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2009 on: April 22, 2020, 03:41:42 PM »
These are rarely if ever common or sensical.
please be specific what "These" are?

We most definitely should discuss regulating who can get behind the wheel of a car and how to get rid of drivers who are unsafe. A great idea may be to require driveres to be licensed

And yet, 40K people die every year in the USA from car accidents.
The point being, that as a society we've accepted that the benefits of being able to drive in cars outweigh the cost.     

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2011 on: April 22, 2020, 04:01:05 PM »
please be specific what "These" are?

And yet, 40K people die every year in the USA from car accidents.
The point being, that as a society we've accepted that the benefits of being able to drive in cars outweigh the cost.   
Nobody is disputing that from an economic standpoint society accepts a certain amount of death once they reach a certain economic cost. This is a complicated and lengthy discussion that is fundamental to economic theory in government, and boils down to what is the price of a life. Interestingly, it seems many people who think the lockdown should end and thought it should never start never heard of this or many economic basics until now, and think it’s some type of epiphany.

All that said, comparing this pandemic to driving is hugely erroneous. You can search “car accidents” on this board and you’ll see some of the many reasons.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2012 on: April 22, 2020, 04:01:36 PM »


Other then a play on words, i don't think you actually addressed anything , which BTW is totally fine.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2013 on: April 22, 2020, 04:07:56 PM »
Other then a play on words, i don't think you actually addressed anything , which BTW is totally fine.
It was fully addressed. Saying "common sense measures" is what every idiot prefaces their nonsensical proposals with.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2014 on: April 22, 2020, 04:19:18 PM »
It was fully addressed. Saying "common sense measures" is what every idiot prefaces their nonsensical proposals with.

so its a binary choice, agree with those that say LOCKDOWN till Kingdom Come or im an IDIOT ?!
mind you, for pointing out the argument that maybe the cost is too high vs the risk which by all available data is actually pretty low. 

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2015 on: April 22, 2020, 04:22:14 PM »
so its a binary choice, agree with those that say LOCKDOWN till Kingdom Come or im an IDIOT ?!
mind you, for pointing out the argument that maybe the cost is too high vs the risk which by all available data is actually pretty low. 
No I was not referring to your argument. I was saying that every idiot who wants to make an idiotic suggestion about anything in the world will preface it by calling them common sense measures. I think evey single person here with a wide range of opinions thinks that what they are presenting are common sense measures for this situation. Saying to make common sense measures without discussion of what they are can mean anything from doing nothing to welding everyones doors shut.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2016 on: April 22, 2020, 04:24:34 PM »


All that said, comparing this pandemic to driving is hugely erroneous. You can search “car accidents” on this board and you’ll see some of the many reasons.
Bingo!

No one wanted to cmpare them. All I wanna do is shut up the liberals who want to close up the country for the next 5 years and kill our economy for the next 20 years and  don't want to even start discussing reopening. To them I say dump your car.

Obviosly there are a bunch of differeces between covid deaths and car accidents.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2017 on: April 22, 2020, 04:31:32 PM »
Bingo!

No one wanted to cmpare them. All I wanna do is shut up the liberals who want to close up the country for the next 5 years and kill our economy for the next 20 years and  don't want to even start discussing reopening. To them I say dump your car.

Obviosly there are a bunch of differeces between covid deaths and car accidents.

+63,000,000 US citizens who are tired of those trying to confirm their pre-existing biases.   

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2018 on: April 22, 2020, 04:56:52 PM »
All I wanna do is shut up the liberals

Cool story, bro

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2019 on: April 22, 2020, 05:13:04 PM »
Sorry, this is gonna be a personal attack.  >:(

You've brought up the car accident comparison multiple times on DDF, so to say no one wanted to compare them is a bald faced lie. To then further make as if your arguments are about the economy and shutting up liberals is just insulting, especially considering your post asking advice on how to skirt current regulations so you can wander down to Florida for G-d knows what reason. You're about you and you have little respect for others. Don't go bashing half the country to further your agenda. I'm not a liberal, and I want you to stay in NY and this country to be shut down for a little while. Sorry, not sorry.
Huh? Please enlighten me where I compared the 2.

And to your second point. Obviously you don't know me personally but many here do. I have nothing to do with Florida and even if FL would be open I would never go there now. As a travel agent I have customers asking me all those questions so I was just looking for info.

Have a great day!
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