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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2160 on: April 29, 2020, 11:04:08 AM »
You mean for your work in food production? That’s not a leisure trip.
I know. I was just shooting my mouth off once again.
On another note, most of the hotels in New England are closed. The ones that are open in VT/NH/ME aren't accepting online reservations. I managed to find a hotel 45 min from where I need to be in VT (normally I stay 15 min away) and they required a letter from my company stating that I am essential to their operation.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2161 on: April 29, 2020, 11:11:43 AM »
This is assuming ( erroneously, i might add) that this Virus is going to be eradicated and not here to stay.
#FlattenTheCurve

It’s not at all a given that COVID is the new flu. SARS and MERS (other major coronaviruses in recent times) faded away, until we know facts that point otherwise, we can realistically hope this one does too.

A flatter curve means it’s not increasing exponentially, and even flatter means the new cases (and R”L deaths) are level. That’s a flat curve. We would need NO new cases for this to be over.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2162 on: April 29, 2020, 11:39:40 AM »
I know. I was just shooting my mouth off once again.
On another note, most of the hotels in New England are closed. The ones that are open in VT/NH/ME aren't accepting online reservations. I managed to find a hotel 45 min from where I need to be in VT (normally I stay 15 min away) and they required a letter from my company stating that I am essential to their operation.
Wouldn't you be the one writing that? ;D

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2163 on: April 29, 2020, 11:41:48 AM »
It’s not at all a given that COVID is the new flu. SARS and MERS (other major coronaviruses in recent times) faded away, until we know facts that point otherwise, we can realistically hope this one does too.

A flatter curve means it’s not increasing exponentially, and even flatter means the new cases (and R”L deaths) are level. That’s a flat curve. We would need NO new cases for this to be over.

Are you really equating SARS1 and MERS ? do i have to show you the numbers?
Flatten The Curve was designed so that we don't overwhelm our healthcare system which has been achieved, to actually think this is going away anytime soon, is to bury our heads in the sand, which means we have to return to some societal normalcy ASAP!
 

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« Reply #2164 on: April 29, 2020, 11:44:13 AM »
Are you really equating SARS1 and MERS ? do i have to show you the numbers?
Flatten The Curve was designed so that we don't overwhelm our healthcare system which has been achieved, to actually think this is going away anytime soon, is to bury our heads in the sand, which means we have to return to some societal normalcy ASAP! 

I disagree. To me it means that if we don’t be careful about how we “go back to normalcy” (or any semblance thereof) were risking a second wave. Assuming masks are effective, my feelings are strict use of masks in public has much better adoption in Asia (and Israel) than in the USA.

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« Reply #2165 on: April 29, 2020, 12:11:08 PM »
I disagree. To me it means that if we don’t be careful about how we “go back to normalcy” (or any semblance thereof) were risking a second wave. Assuming masks are effective, my feelings are strict use of masks in public has much better adoption in Asia (and Israel) than in the USA.

So what specifically advocating for?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2166 on: April 29, 2020, 12:16:54 PM »
I disagree. To me it means that if we don’t be careful about how we “go back to normalcy” (or any semblance thereof) were risking a second wave. Assuming masks are effective, my feelings are strict use of masks in public has much better adoption in Asia (and Israel) than in the USA.
Second wave is guaranteed. Only question is does it overwhelm hospitals when it happens.

There is a video circulating on Whatsapp about being reliastic that Airline travel utilizing social distancing is  just not economically viable before a vaccine is introduced. Normal activities like the person in the video is discussing such as skiing etc will not happen in 2020 and may only happen towards the end of 2021 best case scenario.

Meanwhile, all I keep on hearing are people from our communities in NY flying out of PHL to avoid mandatory quarantines in FL and overrunning certain gated communities there. I just dont get it.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2167 on: April 29, 2020, 12:17:22 PM »
Our healthcare system IHMO did a great job so far. What we need is national plan to utilize all aspects of it. We know everyone is getting hit at different times so things need to be moved around. That includes patients if need be.
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« Reply #2168 on: April 29, 2020, 12:25:02 PM »
Our healthcare system IHMO did a great job so far. What we need is national plan to utilize all aspects of it. We know everyone is getting hit at different times so things need to be moved around. That includes patients if need be.
USNS Comfort was an absolute waste. Treated 182 patients total. Javits Center was useful but not having direct admissions was also a waste. The good news is the shortage of ventilators never materialized. They have figured out that the vent is not the be all and end all of this virus. C-Pap and Bi-Pap machines worked just fine along with anti-coagulants and outside the box respiratory measures such as at home oxygen concentrators, proning of patients and allowing patients to go on much longer showing hypoxic numbers than would normally be allowed. 
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« Reply #2169 on: April 29, 2020, 12:38:35 PM »
USNS Comfort was an absolute waste. Treated 182 patients total. Javits Center was useful but not having direct admissions was also a waste. The good news is the shortage of ventilators never materialized. They have figured out that the vent is not the be all and end all of this virus. C-Pap and Bi-Pap machines worked just fine along with anti-coagulants and outside the box respiratory measures such as at home oxygen concentrators, proning of patients and allowing patients to go on much longer showing hypoxic numbers than would normally be allowed. 
I am not sure that it was a waste or that in the end it just wasn't needed, but a "Comfort" to have had the option in case it was needed.
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« Reply #2170 on: April 29, 2020, 12:40:39 PM »
I am not sure that it was a waste or that in the end it just wasn't needed, but a "Comfort" to have had the option in case it was needed.
It was there to soothe the public. As a symbol it was great. Should have parked it in a more visible spot is the only complaint I have then.
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« Reply #2171 on: April 29, 2020, 12:56:35 PM »
I am not sure that it was a waste or that in the end it just wasn't needed, but a "Comfort" to have had the option in case it was needed.

The point is, there was never a shortage of ventilators or beds, even in the epicenter of the US outbreak.

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« Reply #2172 on: April 29, 2020, 01:01:09 PM »
The point is, there was never a shortage of ventilators or beds, even in the epicenter of the US outbreak.
When you have people up and down the hallways on gurneys that is called a shortage of beds.
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« Reply #2173 on: April 29, 2020, 01:01:18 PM »
The point is, there was never a shortage of ventilators or beds, even in the epicenter of the US outbreak.

Really now? Tell that to all the patients lined up in hospital hallways

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« Reply #2174 on: April 29, 2020, 01:03:39 PM »
When you have people up and down the hallways on gurneys that is called a shortage of beds.
Really now? Tell that to all the patients lined up in hospital hallways
Direct admissions to Javits and the ship would have alleviated that problem. Also, not ventilating patients as a matter of protocol would have solved some of that problem too.
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« Reply #2175 on: April 29, 2020, 01:05:33 PM »
Direct admissions to Javits and the ship would have alleviated that problem. Also, not ventilating patients as a matter of protocol would have solved some of that problem too.
The point is there was a shortage of beds at one time!!!
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« Reply #2176 on: April 29, 2020, 01:22:55 PM »
The point is there was a shortage of beds at one time!!!
There was never a shortage of beds in any hospital. No patients that I heard of was turned away from a hospital. Hospitals barely went on diversion. Hospitals go on diversion way more often in non-pandemic times than I have heard them going on diversion in the past weeks.
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« Reply #2177 on: April 29, 2020, 01:28:17 PM »
There was never a shortage of beds in any hospital. No patients that I heard of was turned away from a hospital. Hospitals barely went on diversion. Hospitals go on diversion way more often in non-pandemic times than I have heard them going on diversion in the past weeks.
Hello wall.
Come visit me. We only have one bed and DW and I will be in it. You might have to sleep on the floor or out in the garage but there is no shortage of beds.  :)
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« Reply #2178 on: April 29, 2020, 01:31:06 PM »
Really now? Tell that to all the patients lined up in hospital hallways

Really now ? why don't you try to find those patients? ???
We had the USNS Comfort and Javits center sitting empty?

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« Reply #2179 on: April 29, 2020, 01:40:52 PM »
Hello wall.
Come visit me. We only have one bed and DW and I will be in it. You might have to sleep on the floor or out in the garage but there is no shortage of beds.  :)
You obviously have never been in a NYC hospital. Hallways are the norm in the ED always. That just translated to beds in the hallways on the floors. There were no shortages though. No one was sleeping on the floor. or in the garage. What are you t alking about? Truly amazing the pretzels you need to bake. You cant see that there was a plan in place that utterly failed but didnt result in the chaos that was predicted? Or the intellectual dishonesty that you are being accused of elsewhere is just showing up here too?   
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