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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2400 on: May 06, 2020, 08:32:04 PM »
debunked
My mistake.  There seems to be a possibility of causation.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2401 on: May 06, 2020, 08:32:59 PM »
How do you know they are rare? The first reports came in yesterday in NYC. Today, they more than quadrupled.

We are learning more about this virus in droves. Each day you could write a book about the information learned and progress made.

You have suggested 40+ be quarantined, that obviously includes their children. So you would have only young couples and their children be out and about?
Many older than 40 have already had it, so they would also be out of quarantine.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2402 on: May 06, 2020, 08:34:54 PM »
Many older than 40 have already had it, so they would also be out of quarantine.
So antibody passports? A different way?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2403 on: May 06, 2020, 08:43:56 PM »
Self-responsibility.
Government removes the quarantine.  With an education campaign to give people the tools for self-responsibility.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2404 on: May 06, 2020, 08:45:31 PM »
Self-responsibility.
Government removes the quarantine.  With an education campaign to give people the tools for self-responsibility.
How will vulnerable people get essential food and supplies? Presumably it would be really dangerous to go out. I’m genuinely curious, I think there are holes in your plan but it is somewhat logical.

I also think it’s premature, I’m talking in another month or two as we find out more information. Affecting children is a huge game changer IMHO.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2405 on: May 06, 2020, 08:48:45 PM »
How will vulnerable people get essential food and supplies? Presumably it would be really dangerous to go out. I’m genuinely curious, I think there are holes in your plan but it is somewhat logical.

I also think it’s premature, I’m talking in another month or two as we find out more information. Affecting children is a huge game changer IMHO.
Unless there is some medical solution available very quickly there is going to need to be some sort of plan without it. It will involve some level of risk, but halacha does allow certain tradeoffs of risk to anchor the risks of poverty.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2406 on: May 06, 2020, 08:50:07 PM »
My rights, in relation to you, can be limited by government. If most people (the government) believe you walking around without a mask, for example, is excessively dangerous for others, I think they have a right to mandate it. Now the question is, where does that end and overreach begin? I think that’s the debate, not IF they have a right to mandate and restrict certain behaviors.

Unless of course you’re libertarian or an anarchist.

You seem to believe mandating masks and social distancing is fine, but that’s it. There are millions who believe more is fine, and millions who believe even less is allowed.

The greater the imposition and infringement on our liberties the greater the onus on the Government to prove the necessity of said imposition.   
Masks and social distancing in public places are a small cost , can't say the same about forcing people to stay home while crashing the World Economy.
 

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2407 on: May 06, 2020, 08:50:25 PM »
How will vulnerable people get essential food and supplies? Presumably it would be really dangerous to go out. I’m genuinely curious, I think there are holes in your plan but it is somewhat logical.

I also think it’s premature, I’m talking in another month or two as we find out more information. Affecting children is a huge game changer IMHO.
I am losing faith in the quarantine approach. Even if we believe everything they say on how it is working it is going way to slow.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2408 on: May 06, 2020, 08:53:53 PM »
I am losing faith in the quarantine approach. Even if we believe everything they say on how it is working it is going way to slow.
Add this to the mix. Is it even working?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-surprised-most-new-york-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-who-stayed-home
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2409 on: May 06, 2020, 08:56:46 PM »
Unless there is some medical solution available very quickly there is going to need to be some sort of plan without it. It will involve some level of risk, but halacha does allow certain tradeoffs of risk to anchor the risks of poverty.

It is comical how people refuse to accept that every public policy has tradeoffs, not to harp on car accidents, but that is exactly the calculation we make when we drive cars, which is why the Auto Insurance industry is giving millions of dollars in refunds.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2410 on: May 06, 2020, 08:58:40 PM »
Add this to the mix. Is it even working?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-surprised-most-new-york-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-who-stayed-home
How do you decipher the numbers. It sounds high but what percentage are staying at home?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2411 on: May 06, 2020, 08:59:29 PM »
How do you decipher the numbers. It sounds high but what percentage are staying at home?
He threw out a number of 66 percent.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2412 on: May 06, 2020, 09:02:20 PM »
How will vulnerable people get essential food and supplies? Presumably it would be really dangerous to go out. I’m genuinely curious, I think there are holes in your plan but it is somewhat logical.

I also think it’s premature, I’m talking in another month or two as we find out more information. Affecting children is a huge game changer IMHO.

Great point, why don't you ask yourself , How will millions of unemployed Americans living paycheck to paycheck afford to buy groceries?
Don't take this the wrong way but saying "I’m talking in another month or two" tells me your way out of touch with the real world on this issue.

The easiest thing for those of us that BH haven't been affected by this Virus directly or indirectly is to sit back and say "lets keep up this Lockdown" 

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2413 on: May 06, 2020, 09:03:50 PM »
He threw out a number of 66 percent.
That was the amount admitted to the hospital, correct? What if 70% of the population is staying at home. 66 would be a low figure then. We need more info.
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« Reply #2414 on: May 06, 2020, 09:08:07 PM »
That was the amount admitted to the hospital, correct? What if 70% of the population is staying at home. 66 would be a low figure then. We need more info.

Still doesn't change the equation, bottom line is that 66% of those hospitalized were sheltering in place, these are overwhelming numbers. 

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2415 on: May 06, 2020, 09:12:01 PM »
Still doesn't change the equation, bottom line is that 66% of those hospitalized were sheltering in place, these are overwhelming numbers.
Simple math question. 100% shelter at home. How many admitted to hospitals will be from sheltered at home?  :)
Now change that 1% sheltered at home.  ;)
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2416 on: May 06, 2020, 09:14:57 PM »
How will vulnerable people get essential food and supplies? Presumably it would be really dangerous to go out.
How do they get supplies now?
Those that are being careful now are not found in Costoco or Kolel store.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2417 on: May 06, 2020, 09:16:41 PM »
Add this to the mix. Is it even working?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-surprised-most-new-york-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-who-stayed-home
I think the 'shelter in  place' people have stopped being careful. And aren't truly quarantining themselves any more. 
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2418 on: May 06, 2020, 09:31:44 PM »
Simple math question. 100% shelter at home. How many admitted to hospitals will be from sheltered at home?  :)
Now change that 1% sheltered at home.  ;)

We must ask, what is the Lockdown designed to do? if it is to eradicate the virus then presumably we shouldn't have any cases from that group, and if it's so we don't overwhelm the Hospitals Etc. mission accomplished!   

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2419 on: May 06, 2020, 09:34:05 PM »
We must ask, what is the Lockdown designed to do? if it is to eradicate the virus then presumably we shouldn't have any cases from that group, and if it's so we don't overwhelm the Hospitals Etc. mission accomplished!
I am just talking about the 66% figured. For that to meaningful we need more info.
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