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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2521 on: May 07, 2020, 06:31:10 PM »
Paradox of preparation.


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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2522 on: May 07, 2020, 06:43:38 PM »

Is she Jewish?  :P
Did she or did she not take back the stupid statement she made. "But officer" is not a defense.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2523 on: May 07, 2020, 06:48:35 PM »
Is there any reason not to reopen babysitting and playgroup services in our areas? I would say that 95 percent of parents sending to such services are under 40 years old. And those that aren't comfortable doing that, shouldn't send.

Anybody with any (smart) insight on this?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2524 on: May 07, 2020, 07:03:27 PM »
Paradox of preparation.

But these predictions were assuming they did take these measures

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2525 on: May 07, 2020, 08:44:51 PM »
Who cares what he predicted? Didn’t his early lockdown prove prescient? To all those who say the only hope was to shut it down earlier than NY/NJ did, he did that. Clearly the numbers have been in his favor. Why are you attacking him?

What are you talking about?
CA and NY went into lockdown the same week.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2526 on: May 07, 2020, 09:00:42 PM »
What are you talking about?
CA and NY went into lockdown the same week.
Maybe, but NY was already rampant with Covid-19, whereas California wasn't even close.  They were behind in the spread.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2527 on: May 07, 2020, 09:59:41 PM »
What are you talking about?
CA and NY went into lockdown the same week.
Maybe, but NY was already rampant with Covid-19, whereas California wasn't even close.  They were behind in the spread.
This. California didn’t wait until there seemed to be thousands of cases, they preemptively closed upon seeing what was going on in NY and having found a few cases already.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2528 on: May 07, 2020, 10:03:29 PM »
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This is Ellie Bennett, your neighborhood doctor. (May 7, 2020)

I'm not a politician. I am not a government official. I'm not a Rabbi. I have no sway on when the economy  (or shuls)  reopen. My one and ONLY concern is the safety of my family, friends and neighbors.

Initial predictions were over a hundred thousand deaths. I truly believe that would have been a reality if not for the social distancing that people have adopted and adhered to.

I do believe we have turned a corner here in New York. Hospital admissions are down. And the number of deaths are declining each day. Let us pray that continues.

I wish I could unsee many events from the last few weeks. I've watched 30 year olds come to my ER and die within hours. I have said viduy (confession) with virtual strangers and watched them struggle with their last breath- all alone with nobody at the bedside other than myself and the nurse.

I've witnessed  friends and neighbors die, while  helplessly looking on. We have buried the best of the best of our community, including my Rebbe, Rabbi Leibel Katz, Rabbi Matis Blum, Dr. Eli Landau and so many other wonderful people.

I’ve had episodes of uncontrollable sobbing - enough times that my family and office staff were worried that I was having an emotional breakdown.

I’ve also seen amazing things. Communities have come together to arrange food deliveries for people unable to get out. We've gotten  oxygen to those sickest of patients and allowed them to stay home- and survive. Hatzalah, Shomrim, Amudim and other organizations have stepped up and met the challenge head on. I'm privileged to be part of the medical community that has persevered, despite emotional and physical hurdles.

But over the last week I’ve seen people become complacent.

People that have been so amazing  are almost justifiably tired of quarantine, and becoming lax.

This past weekend I witnessed families getting together for barbecues and kids playing outside together. Porch minyamin are cropping up . Scores of people in the grocery stores not following the accepted social distancing guidelines.

This is  astonishing to me. We CANNOT have such short memories.

We cannot forget those who have perished in this plague- nor the critical steps we all took that have prevented scores of others from the very same fate.

The government WILL  reopen our economy. It must happen for other aspects of our lives to continue. The arguments for and against is not the purpose of me writing to you to today.

We can and we must continue social distancing until the infectious disease experts we all relied upon tell us the time has come to stop.

The only way we are going to safely get our lives back to some semblance of normalcy is for people to follow the rules. Social distancing CAN and MUST continue for the foreseeable future. Even more so when we reopen up our shuls. The very essence of our community is our closeness & social interactions. It makes us unique & special. But according to the experts that closeness is exactly why and how so many of our brothers & sisters got sick to begin with. We must stay vigilant & socially distance ourselves. Lives depend on it.

And what about those over 60 who so carefully isolated themselves and didn't get sick. On the one hand, BH they are healthy and well. On the other hand,  because they never contracted the virus they presumably  have no antibodies. (If that even confers immunity, as nobody is sure at this point)

This means that hundreds of our neighbors, friends, and parents don’t have any antibodies. They are exactly in the same vulnerable position they were 9 weeks ago and could contract the fatal Coronavirus in a split second. The wrong interaction.   The supermarket. The subway. Even the park. Any random encounter could prove fatal.
We are not out of the woods yet. And if anything, we are possibly in a more dangerous time,  because unlike before when everyone was terrified, people are prematurely letting down their guard.

Don't become a statistic or a name on a Tehillim group.

Common sense and recent history guides us to continue our extreme vigilance.

This community has lost some if it's most special people,  haven't we all cried enough?

Please be safe.Please be careful. I’m begging you.
 
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2529 on: May 07, 2020, 10:09:55 PM »

Classic libtard. He’s lying and whipping up mass hysteria because he wants control and wants to bring down Trump. What about the economy? What about suicides? What about grocery stores?

Jk, it’s a really nice letter, who is this fellow? An ER doctor from Five Towns?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2530 on: May 07, 2020, 10:36:00 PM »
Classic libtard. He’s lying and whipping up mass hysteria because he wants control and wants to bring down Trump. What about the economy? What about suicides? What about grocery stores?

Jk, it’s a really nice letter, who is this fellow? An ER doctor from Five Towns?

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See here also for his previous statements

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2531 on: May 07, 2020, 11:03:47 PM »
To all those who say the only hope was to shut it down earlier than NY/NJ did, he did that. Clearly the numbers have been in his favor. Why are you attacking him?
What are you talking about?
CA and NY went into lockdown the same week.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2532 on: May 07, 2020, 11:08:30 PM »
I agree with much of his letter.  The heartbreak cannot be forgotten.
But, as he said in the last third, "those over 60 who so carefully isolated themselves and didn't get sick."  Should remain in quarantine.  They should have others do their shopping.  Their grandchildren should visit by standing outside and far away. 
While those many who are immune go back to some semblance of 'normal' life.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2533 on: May 07, 2020, 11:09:24 PM »
But, did they make the virus in the Wuhan lab?

Thats still the 7 trillion $ question.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2534 on: May 07, 2020, 11:10:32 PM »
I agree with much of his letter.  The heartbreak cannot be forgotten.
But, as he said in the last third, "those over 60 who so carefully isolated themselves and didn't get sick."  Should remain in quarantine.  They should have others do their shopping.  Their grandchildren should visit by standing outside and far away. 
While those many who are immune go back to some semblance of 'normal' life.
Understandably its an emotional letter

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2535 on: May 08, 2020, 07:26:46 AM »
I have 2 completely unrelated points that I don't think were mentioned yet.

1) If antibodies doesn't mean immunity, then what's the long term plan? If there is no immunity with antibodies a vaccine is worthless.

2) I think we have to stop looking at lockdown as the status quo and instead look at it that every day that the lockdown continues we are making a conscious decision to shut down the country.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2536 on: May 08, 2020, 07:41:58 AM »
Is there any reason not to reopen babysitting and playgroup services in our areas? I would say that 95 percent of parents sending to such services are under 40 years old. And those that aren't comfortable doing that, shouldn't send.
Anybody with any (smart) insight on this?

The smart insight you might not want to hear is that the age of parents in the group doesn’t matter.

If contagion happens because of this group, even between two people under 40, it can continue onwards to others who are at higher risk. Or even to multiple people at low>medium risk who might lose the chance lottery and R”L get really sick requiring hospitalization or worse.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2537 on: May 08, 2020, 09:18:13 AM »

Jk, it’s a really nice letter, who is this fellow? An ER doctor from Five Towns?
He's a great doctor

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2538 on: May 08, 2020, 09:19:26 AM »
Is there any reason not to reopen babysitting and playgroup services in our areas? I would say that 95 percent of parents sending to such services are under 40 years old. And those that aren't comfortable doing that, shouldn't send.
Of the 95% under 40, whats the percentage that have a BMI of over 25, or even 30?

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #2539 on: May 08, 2020, 09:31:30 AM »
1) If antibodies doesn't mean immunity, then what's the long term plan? If there is no immunity with antibodies a vaccine is worthless.
Maybe they are hoping to find that out, and once they do, it will be useful to already know who has antibodies.
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