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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3090 on: July 07, 2020, 04:27:29 PM »
So isn't it better to catch it in a controlled manner. I.e. catch, isolate, recover.
How do you "know" you've caught it?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3091 on: July 07, 2020, 04:28:41 PM »
How do you "know" you've caught it?

I would assume PCR test (shortly after deliberate exposure).
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3092 on: July 07, 2020, 04:33:47 PM »
So isn't it better to catch it in a controlled manner. I.e. catch, isolate, recover.

There have been perfectly health young adults who've ended up in the ICU or died from it.

Would you catch it knowing there's a 1/1000 chance you could die? Seems pretty crazy to me.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3093 on: July 07, 2020, 04:48:13 PM »
I would assume PCR test (shortly after deliberate exposure).
And that way I can travel without quarantine ;)
But seriously - to my understanding that's not how it works - PCR test won't pick it up right away - and you are infectious before showing symptoms
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3094 on: July 07, 2020, 04:49:20 PM »
There have been perfectly health young adults who've ended up in the ICU or died from it.

Would you catch it knowing there's a 1/1000 chance you could die? Seems pretty crazy to me.
I meant to say this too - just because I'm not afraid of it, doesn't mean I would do it intentionally
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3095 on: July 07, 2020, 04:53:50 PM »
There have been perfectly health young adults who've ended up in the ICU or died from it.

Would you catch it knowing there's a 1/1000 chance you could die? Seems pretty crazy to me.

Indeed there were (based on what is publicly known), though the rate is by far less than 1/1000 for young people without any underlying conditions.

What would I do if I never had it? As I said before, I don't know. Now that I've had it, I have 0 fear of catching it again, even if it will be accompanied by symptoms. Whether I would do it, might be a question to ask my LOR.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3096 on: July 07, 2020, 04:56:14 PM »
And that way I can travel without quarantine ;)
But seriously - to my understanding that's not how it works - PCR test won't pick it up right away - and you are infectious before showing symptoms

I might be wrong, but my understanding is that a PCR test could pick it up pretty early after infection (a day or two). Getting infected in a controlled manner, one could isolate (or only hang around people with antibodies).
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« Reply #3097 on: July 07, 2020, 04:57:20 PM »
Indeed there were (based on what is publicly known), though the rate is by far less than 1/1000 for young people without any underlying conditions.

What would I do if I never had it? As I said before, I don't know. Now that I've had it, I have 0 fear of catching it again, even if it will be accompanied by symptoms. Whether I would do it, might be a question to ask my LOR.

Do you see any parallels in this attitude and risky behaviors in young adults?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3098 on: July 07, 2020, 04:59:30 PM »
Do you see any parallels in this attitude and risky behaviors in young adults?
Should we look at FL?  :)
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3099 on: July 07, 2020, 05:11:12 PM »
Whether I would do it, might be a question to ask my LOR.

What would the tzad heter be for someone to catch it intentionally?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3100 on: July 07, 2020, 05:13:01 PM »
Should we look at FL?  :)

I wasn't referring to Covid, but the attitude in general. My first post ever on DDF was about pot being labeled a gateway drug. I believe that there is an inherent danger by lumping all drugs together, because when a person tries pot and it doesn't kill them or turn them into the caricature of a drug addict that was painted for them by the authority figures, they automatically downgrade the danger of all the other drugs that were associated with pot when they were being lectured about drugs. I feel that a similar attitude is emerging around Covid. In the beginning, due to a lack of knowledge, there was a certain amount of fear-mongering used in an effort to get everyone to take it seriously. The drawback is that now people are seeing they can survive this, and they don't care to get it. The fallacy with this thinking is that just because you crossed the street on a red once and didn't get hit by a car, doesn't mean you're Superman. Just because you tried heroin once and didn't overdose or get addicted, doesn't make heroin safe. And just because you survived a Covid infection once, doesn't mean your body will react the same way to subsequent infections.

To @ExGingi's point, that life is about risk assessment and finding a way to live with it, that's very fair. Not everyone should be holed up in their homes. But all risks are not equal. Precautions regarding Covid are not just about your personal risk, but the risk you present to the general public by walking around with a contagious infection. This is not deciding whether or not to wear a seatbelt. This is smoking in an indoor public room. You are free to risk your life by smoking. You are not free to expose everyone else in the room to your second-hand smoke.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3101 on: July 07, 2020, 05:14:15 PM »
What would the tzad heter be for someone to catch it intentionally?
Strengthen immune system. Help mental health. Allow more flexibility in כבוד אב ואם.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3102 on: July 07, 2020, 05:20:08 PM »
I wasn't referring to Covid, but the attitude in general. My first post ever on DDF was about pot being labeled a gateway drug. I believe that there is an inherent danger by lumping all drugs together, because when a person tries pot and it doesn't kill them or turn them into the caricature of a drug addict that was painted for them by the authority figures, they automatically downgrade the danger of all the other drugs that were associated with pot when they were being lectured about drugs. I feel that a similar attitude is emerging around Covid. In the beginning, due to a lack of knowledge, there was a certain amount of fear-mongering used in an effort to get everyone to take it seriously. The drawback is that now people are seeing they can survive this, and they don't care to get it. The fallacy with this thinking is that just because you crossed the street on a red once and didn't get hit by a car, doesn't mean you're Superman. Just because you tried heroin once and didn't overdose or get addicted, doesn't make heroin safe. And just because you survived a Covid infection once, doesn't mean your body will react the same way to subsequent infections.

To @ExGingi's point, that life is about risk assessment and finding a way to live with it, that's very fair. Not everyone should be holed up in their homes. But all risks are not equal. Precautions regarding Covid are not just about your personal risk, but the risk you present to the general public by walking around with a contagious infection. This is not deciding whether or not to wear a seatbelt. This is smoking in an indoor public room. You are free to risk your life by smoking. You are not free to expose everyone else in the room to your second-hand smoke.
Makes sense but you are wrong about pot.  :)
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3103 on: July 07, 2020, 05:24:49 PM »
Strengthen immune system.
Not even speculative.. This is stam made up.

Help mental health.
It improves mental health?

Allow more flexibility in כבוד אב ואם.
I don't even see the shaylo.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3104 on: July 07, 2020, 05:25:01 PM »
Makes sense but you are wrong about pot.  :)

I'm not. I didn't say it doesn't lead to other drug use, which it sometimes does, but the labeling is dangerous and causes more harm than good. But that's a conversation for a different thread.
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