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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3720 on: December 03, 2020, 11:50:31 AM »
Sorry put this in the wrong thread before...

Honest question...Does an asymptomatic positive test warrant a "Refuah Sheleima" and why?

they still have the virus and even though they don't have outward symptoms there is still a lot unknown about the long term effects this can have

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3721 on: December 03, 2020, 11:52:58 AM »
Sorry put this in the wrong thread before...

Honest question...Does an asymptomatic positive test warrant a "Refuah Sheleima" and why?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3722 on: December 03, 2020, 11:55:50 AM »
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Refuah Sheleima...preemptively from now until I say its cancelled.  :D
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3723 on: December 03, 2020, 11:56:40 AM »
they still have the virus and even though they don't have outward symptoms there is still a lot unknown about the long term effects this can have
They have a positive test.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3724 on: December 03, 2020, 12:16:18 PM »
They have a positive test.
Do you know what a positive test means? Viral particles were detected in their body
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3725 on: December 03, 2020, 12:16:49 PM »
They have a positive test.
The fact that they could still develop symptoms should be a factor here
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3726 on: December 03, 2020, 12:29:45 PM »
The fact that they could still develop symptoms should be a factor here
And could infect others.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3727 on: December 03, 2020, 12:54:14 PM »
Do you know what a positive test means? Viral particles were detected in their body
Oh, you mean they didnt play 2 out of 3? (Speaking from an abundance of experience)

Positive tests are just that, a test that showed you may be positive. Without symptoms you're not sick. You MAY be positive.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3728 on: December 03, 2020, 01:03:11 PM »
Oh, you mean they didnt play 2 out of 3? (Speaking from an abundance of experience)

Positive tests are just that, a test that showed you may be positive. Without symptoms you're not sick. You MAY be positive.
False. PCR tests can [almost] never detect virus particles where none exist. You can’t be positive without the virus inside your nose.

A negative test doesn’t show that there is no virus, it proves that *that* test did not detect virus. Which is why many venues require 2 negative tests.
Sorry put this in the wrong thread before...

Honest question...Does an asymptomatic positive test warrant a "Refuah Sheleima" and why?
Of course. It’s unknown whether they will still develop symptoms, or whether they will suffer damage as a result of an asymptomatic infection.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3729 on: December 03, 2020, 01:07:03 PM »
Sorry put this in the wrong thread before...

Honest question...Does an asymptomatic positive test warrant a "Refuah Sheleima" and why?

Sure, we should be very careful with our choice of words, but if it's to wish someone well, sfeika lkulah.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3730 on: December 03, 2020, 01:11:16 PM »
Sure, we should be very careful with our choice of words, but if it's to wish someone well, sfeika lkulah.
Exactly.
Refuah Sheleima...preemptively from now until I say its cancelled.  :D
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3731 on: December 03, 2020, 01:12:18 PM »
Oh, you mean they didnt play 2 out of 3? (Speaking from an abundance of experience)

Positive tests are just that, a test that showed you may be positive. Without symptoms you're not sick. You MAY be positive.
How about people who tested positive for cancer without any symptoms?
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3732 on: December 03, 2020, 02:01:13 PM »
How about people who tested positive for cancer without any symptoms?
Ummm...malignant or benign?

I think we need a Refuah Sheleima flow chart.  ;D

Just as an aside there is an inherent difference between a cancer and a virus. 

Refuah Sheleima...preemptively from now until I say its cancelled.  :D
Ok, Its time for me to heed the advice of those that said I should come back and avoid the COVID boards. I think I'll avoid it all except the Maimonides bashing thread. I cant resist the temptation on that one.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3733 on: December 03, 2020, 02:37:10 PM »
Ok, Its time for me to heed the advice of those that said I should come back and avoid the COVID boards. I think I'll avoid it all except the Maimonides bashing thread. I cant resist the temptation on that one.
Because the facts posted here don’t fit with the beliefs you want to maintain? I haven’t seen anyone attack you here or say an opinion, only point out that what you posted is factually incorrect.

Welcome back, by the way.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3735 on: December 08, 2020, 12:25:52 PM »
Are the deaths in our community at the same level they were last spring? Not at all. Yes, people are still unfortunately dying but its still not the same as it was then.
Reread this post and try to see how this is a classic straw man argument.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3736 on: December 08, 2020, 12:30:11 PM »

Just as an aside there is an inherent difference between a cancer and a virus. 
For the record, HIV is far worse than many cancers, and nearly all Cervical cancer is caused by a virus. There isn't an inherent difference between cancer & a virus. It's purely in your flawed perception.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3737 on: December 08, 2020, 01:24:50 PM »
Reread this post and try to see how this is a classic straw man argument.

You left out the next sentence. And I'm not sure what exactly we're arguing about.

I am of course horrified by the sky rocketing cases and deaths across the USA.  Its obvious that this has gone completely out of control IMO.

However, its still true that within our community the level of deaths is absolutely not the same as it was back then. The Misaskim pages in the Hamodia and their website by far doesn't look like what we saw straight after Pesach. And I hope you're not waiting for it to be so you can tell me I told you so. Hashem should watch over everyone and give them seichel to behave properly in the current situation.

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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3738 on: December 08, 2020, 02:27:22 PM »
And I hope you're not waiting for it to be so you can tell me I told you so.
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
« Reply #3739 on: December 08, 2020, 02:40:32 PM »
You left out the next sentence. And I'm not sure what exactly we're arguing about.

I am of course horrified by the sky rocketing cases and deaths across the USA.  Its obvious that this has gone completely out of control IMO.

However, its still true that within our community the level of deaths is absolutely not the same as it was back then. The Misaskim pages in the Hamodia and their website by far doesn't look like what we saw straight after Pesach. And I hope you're not waiting for it to be so you can tell me I told you so. Hashem should watch over everyone and give them seichel to behave properly in the current situation.
How is the way now compares to then in any way relevant to what he wrote?
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