COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

[iluv2travel]

Well, it can’t be that the arguments I was mocking weren’t made, because they most certainly were. I can provide links if you’d find those helpful.

IINM the people using the car accident argument were saying that even though there are deaths associated with driving we don't stop driving because of that. They didn't say that there shouldn't be rules and laws for driving. Unfortunately, deaths and irreversible injury due to car accidents are a sad reality but you don't see entire states or countries shutting down roads and banning cars/driving because of the associated deaths and injuries. So the way I understood it was, that there needs to be rules and regulations and guidelines to follow regarding the virus but you don't need to totally shut down people's lives and businesses, etc. Maybe I understood it differently than others did.

However, irrelevant of all the above, what really bothers me is the complete and total inaction to the current crisis. This virus has been spiraling out of control and they knew it was coming especially due to the holidays and all the related traveling. And don't tell me its because Trump is in office there's no action. It has zero to do with that. Governors can and have taken action this entire time, but speaking specifically about NY (and I'm sure applies elsewhere too) there is nothing being done now. At all.

Sukkos time, Cuomo was busy harassing communities when the positivity rates were like 1/2 or 1/3 of what the statewide rate is now. And deaths were below 20 daily - repeat mantra: 1 is too many. Just using it for comparison to current rate which yesterday topped 200.

So why is nothing being done now? Because there's a vaccine with a bumbling roll out plan and majority of lay people are not even eligible to take yet? Its ridiculous.

And I'm not saying they should go run and close all the schools as the default action to pat themselves on the back that they're doing SOMETHING. There are other things they can do but instead are choosing to do nothing.

To me this just shows yet again how any and all action ever taken was political and not based on concern for human life irrelevant of which party was in power and doing it. Its not going to change on the 20th when Biden takes over.

[yitzgar]

I agree with your last paragraph. Now what should be done?

[iluv2travel]

I agree with your last paragraph. Now what should be done?

Don't ask me. I'm not the governor .

[ckmk47]

And I'm not saying they should go run and close all the schools as the default action to pat themselves on the back that they're doing SOMETHING. There are other things they can do but instead are choosing to do nothing.

Although you're not the governor, what are the other things they can do?

[PlatinumGuy]

I would say 80% of the members here who were making such arguments have been AWOL for months.

I bet they've since spent a few days in bed with Covid and had a rude awakening

[Euclid]

I bet they've since spent a few days in bed with Covid and had a rude awakening

That's not nice - I hope they had an awakening, but hopefully not at the expense of having to deal with covid.

[iluv2travel]

Although you're not the governor, what are the other things they can do?

TBH, at this point I'm out of ideas that make sense and people will actually listen to. I'm just frustrated (as I believe many/most/all people are) with the current situation.

(The cases exploding are not happening due to schools being open so that's why I mentioned that.)

All the travel and movement happening over the past weeks were big contributors but at this point Governors are no longer interested in limiting the movement of people. So we are where we are and unfortunately we're going to have to live with this terrible reality for the foreseeable future.

[yuneeq]

TBH, at this point I'm out of ideas that make sense and people will actually listen to. I'm just frustrated (as I believe many/most/all people are) with the current situation.

(The cases exploding are not happening due to schools being open so that's why I mentioned that.)

All the travel and movement happening over the past weeks were big contributors but at this point Governors are no longer interested in limiting the movement of people. So we are where we are and unfortunately we're going to have to live with this terrible reality for the foreseeable future.

If they started vaccinating seniors instead of prisoners it will help 10x more than any other measure left on the table. In my opinion seniors should be vaccinated well before 30 year old nurses and first responders, or at the very worst, the same time.

[S209]

I actually said that they were made

when those arguments haven't been made.

Moving right along.. I apologize for not adhering to your timeline. Let me know when I am allowed to mock each argument, I guess.

[yitzgar]

Moving right along.. I apologize for not adhering to your timeline. Let me know when I am allowed to mock each argument, I guess.

Right. Quoting only half of my post

[aygart]

BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME

Yup! Exaggeration and lack of nuance ABSOLUTELY goes both ways! Don't be a mirror image of what you are arguing against!

[S209]

Yup! Exaggeration and lack of nuance ABSOLUTELY goes both ways! Don't be a mirror image of what you are arguing against!

I’m not.

Right. Quoting only half of my post

That was the only part relevant to my point. Now you’re just lying pointlessly.

[iluv2travel]

If they started vaccinating seniors instead of prisoners it will help 10x more than any other measure left on the table. In my opinion seniors should be vaccinated well before 30 year old nurses and first responders, or at the very worst, the same time.

I totally agree. Maybe you should be nominated for governor or at least director of roll-out of the vaccine (whatever the title would be)  . We'd be a lot better off than with those good for nothings we have now.

[PlatinumGuy]

If they started vaccinating seniors instead of prisoners it will help 10x more than any other measure left on the table. In my opinion seniors should be vaccinated well before 30 year old nurses and first responders, or at the very worst, the same time.

In Israel there is a big spat between the Minister responsible for prisons who is refusing to obey Health ministry bureaucrats directive to vaccinate prisoners and the AG/Government Consul

https://www.haaretz.co.il/health/corona/.premium-1.9435397

https://twitter.com/AmirOhana/status/1347560420589129732?s=20   

[yzj]

When the South Florida thread is getting updated as often as the Covid threads it’s a sign the pandemic is over as far as many on DDF are concerned 😀

[PlatinumGuy]

Did they not learn from last time to not give credance to outrageous predictions? This is why people lose faith in "top health officials"

Just hit 400k. The model was off by less than 20 days. Perhaps you're the one who should 'learn from last time' to believe reality

[S209]

Just hit 400k. The model was off by less than 20 days. Perhaps you're the one who should 'learn from last time' to believe reality

Not sure what you’re seeing but worldometers has the US past 405K already

[avromie7]

Just hit 400k. The model was off by less than 20 days. Perhaps you're the one who should 'learn from last time' to believe reality

You just proved my point. If they hadn't used the most ridiculous predictions the first time around, maybe more people would take their predictions seriously.

[S209]

You just proved my point. If they hadn't used the most ridiculous predictions the first time around, maybe more people would take their predictions seriously.

But didn’t you call this prediction ridiculous? It was pretty close to accurate.. as were the initial projections used by the White House and most health authorities.

[PlatinumGuy]

You just proved my point. If they hadn't used the most ridiculous predictions the first time around, maybe more people would take their predictions seriously.

Lol. Keep on denying reality as it stares you dead in the face.