COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

[yzj]

You’re against getting vaccinated yourself and are spending time on an online forum defending, nay promoting, your position against the vaccine. Sorry mate, you’re textbook definition for anti-vaxxer, no matter how you choose to spell it.

My wife and I are vaccinated:)

[avromie7]

A distinction needs to be made between someone who is anti-vax as a general rule, and those who want to push off getting the Covid vaccine (for whatever reason).

Another distinction needs to be made between people who say no one (including people who are 80+) should get the COVID vaccine and people who feel it's worth weighing the risks.

[Lurker]

Another distinction needs to be made between people who say no one (including people who are 80+) should get the COVID vaccine and people who feel it's worth weighing the risks.

Nuance is always key, and there can be multiple distinctions made. Personally, I don't understand anyone who says the young and healthy shouldn't get vaccinated. Qualify that with a "right now" and my stance softens considerably. Waiting a (relatively) short period of time, if your lifestyle puts you at low risk to get infected and infect others , I can understand. Relying on recent infection and high antibodies count I can also get behind. The unqualified "don't get vaccinated if you're young and healthy" bothers me.

[avromie7]

Nuance is always key, and there can be multiple distinctions made. Personally, I don't understand anyone who says the young and healthy shouldn't get vaccinated. Qualify that with a "right now" and my stance softens considerably. Waiting a (relatively) short period of time, if your lifestyle puts you at low risk to get infected and infect others , I can understand. Relying on recent infection and high antibodies count I can also get behind. The unqualified "don't get vaccinated if you're young and healthy" bothers me.

I think the overwhelming majority of people (who are not anti-vax) saying not to get vaccinated mean don't get vaccinated yet. Maybe I'm naive, but that's how I see it.

[Lurker]

I think the overwhelming majority of people (who are not anti-vax) saying not to get vaccinated mean don't get vaccinated yet. Maybe I'm naive, but that's how I see it.

I think it needs to be qualified with specific reasoning and not generalized.

[avromie7]

I think it needs to be qualified with specific reasoning and not generalized.

The basic idea I usually hear is something along the lines of "it's too new"

[Lurker]

The basic idea I usually hear is something along the lines of "it's too new"

Me, too, and that's not good enough for me. Short term risks are much higher for those who get Covid than for those who get the vaccine. Long term risks are equally unknown. If there's a mitigating factor, such as low risk of getting Covid in the short term, that changes things for me.

[Euclid]

Me, too, and that's not good enough for me. Short term risks are much higher for those who get Covid than for those who get the vaccine. Long term risks are equally unknown. If there's a mitigating factor, such as low risk of getting Covid in the short term, that changes things for me.

Are you personally still waiting for 2.0?

[avromie7]

Me, too, and that's not good enough for me. Short term risks are much higher for those who get Covid than for those who get the vaccine. Long term risks are equally unknown. If there's a mitigating factor, such as low risk of getting Covid in the short term, that changes things for me.

Shev v'al taaseh. Not everything is about weighing the risks as we see them today equally.

[Lurker]

Are you personally still waiting for 2.0?

Yes, unless 12+ gets approved first.

ETA: there's also a time limit for how long I'm willing to wait. Extenuating circumstances will raise my risk at a specific time, and then it's not worth waiting anymore.

[yelped]

Shev v'al taaseh. Not everything is about weighing the risks as we see them today equally.

Except that it's not Shev V'Al Taaseh. You can pretty much expect to get Covid if you live in a place like Lakewood if you're not getting the vaccine.

[avromie7]

Except that it's not Shev V'Al Taaseh. You can pretty much expect to get Covid if you live in a place like Lakewood if you're not getting the vaccine.

By what definition is this not shev v'al taaseh?

[yzj]

Except that it's not Shev V'Al Taaseh. You can pretty much expect to get Covid if you live in a place like Lakewood if you're not getting the vaccine.

In some ways the opposite is true. Someone in an out of town location who wasn’t exposed is certainly at risk. In Lakewood many if not most young people were heavily exposed. My nephew was exposed in just about every way possible. Chavrusahs, roommates, most of his yeshiva, and consistently tests negative for covid and for antibodies. He has no expectation of contracting covid at this point and I’m inclined to agree that it’s unlikely. I’m sure that among the young people who haven’t yet gotten Covid in Lakewood there are plenty of others like him.

[Lurker]

In some ways the opposite is true. Someone in an out of town location who wasn’t exposed is certainly at risk. In Lakewood many if not most young people were heavily exposed. My nephew was exposed in just about every way possible. Chavrusahs, roommates, most of his yeshiva, and consistently tests negative for covid and for antibodies. He has no expectation of contracting covid at this point and I’m inclined to agree that it’s unlikely. I’m sure that among the young people who haven’t yet gotten Covid in Lakewood there are plenty of others like him.

Are we still equating exposure to immunity?

[Euclid]

In some ways the opposite is true. Someone in an out of town location who wasn’t exposed is certainly at risk. In Lakewood many if not most young people were heavily exposed. My nephew was exposed in just about every way possible. Chavrusahs, roommates, most of his yeshiva, and consistently tests negative for covid and for antibodies. He has no expectation of contracting covid at this point and I’m inclined to agree that it’s unlikely. I’m sure that among the young people who haven’t yet gotten Covid in Lakewood there are plenty of others like him.

Would you let your son take a trip to India today?

[yelped]

By what definition is this not shev v'al taaseh?

Are you joking?

[S209]

By what definition is this not shev v'al taaseh?

So shev v’al tasseh would include being careful to avoid crowds etc.. otherwise you’re actively endangering yourself

[S209]

In some ways the opposite is true. Someone in an out of town location who wasn’t exposed is certainly at risk. In Lakewood many if not most young people were heavily exposed. My nephew was exposed in just about every way possible. Chavrusahs, roommates, most of his yeshiva, and consistently tests negative for covid and for antibodies. He has no expectation of contracting covid at this point and I’m inclined to agree that it’s unlikely. I’m sure that among the young people who haven’t yet gotten Covid in Lakewood there are plenty of others like him.

You just don’t get it. There is zero correlation between previous exposure and current susceptibility. If you took someone who was “exposed” previously and someone who wasn’t and put them in a room with a COVID+ patient they have equal chances of contracting infection. You are quoting an outdated and debunked theory. I can think of quite a few posters in this thread alone who contracted COVID after months of “exposure” without infection.

[avromie7]

So shev v’al tasseh would include being careful to avoid crowds etc.. otherwise you’re actively endangering yourself

That's not shev v'al taaseh. Feel free to disagree with me, but don't twist the definition.

[yzj]

You just don’t get it. There is zero correlation between previous exposure and current susceptibility. If you took someone who was “exposed” previously and someone who wasn’t and put them in a room with a COVID+ patient they have equal chances of contracting infection. You are quoting an outdated and debunked theory. I can think of quite a few posters in this thread alone who contracted COVID after months of “exposure” without infection.

The idea that a segment of the population has natural immunity to Covid-19 (from previous childhood coronaviruses or other phenomenon) has been debunked? Can you cite a study to that effect?