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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #100 on: February 03, 2020, 11:15:30 PM »


An Orthodox Jew who thinks like me, shouldn't be a thing.

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #101 on: February 03, 2020, 11:15:51 PM »
All halachic sources agree that a fetus doesn't have the same status as a living thing, like an adult.
The gemora says until 40 days maya balma.
I don't disagree.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #102 on: February 03, 2020, 11:15:58 PM »
And a Orthodox Jew voting republican in NY is ביטול תורה
It may be a waste of time, but voting for a liberal is far worse.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #103 on: February 03, 2020, 11:16:51 PM »
And a Orthodox Jew voting republican in NY is ביטול תורה
Oy. Then what is an Orthodox Jew in NJ/NY that is listening to Rush?
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #104 on: February 03, 2020, 11:17:19 PM »

May Rush have a complete Refuah Shleimah, Amen
I'm sure you refer to your rush yeshiva

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2020, 11:17:59 PM »
Oy. Then what is an Orthodox Jew in NJ/NY that is listening to Rush?
Practicing Judaism ;) ???

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2020, 11:18:51 PM »
So whether it conforms to what the Torah says is of no relevance to you as long as he advocates for what feels good to you (or it feels good to you whatever he advocates). He advocates for capital punishment in cases which the Torah considers to be murdering the convict. Plain and simple. You are basing on a pasuk nad ignoring all of the torah shebaal peh about it. The capital punishment which would occur based on his advocacy would cause more murders than it would cause rightful capital punishment according to the torah. If it is the torah that you are standing up for  you would care about what the torah says and not just some vague idea. The facts are that you are advocating something the torah considers murder.
Instead of claiming to know all of Torah Shebaal peh, can you give some concrete examples and sources to prove your assertions?
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2020, 11:19:45 PM »
Politics is simply a yeshiva guys frummy version of sports.
You've been Best Of'ed.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2020, 11:19:59 PM »
I don't have the answer. In Judaism if both mother and child are at risk is there a preference of one over the other? Don't know how to ask this without sounding cold. 
Until a point in the birthing process the mother is given precedence.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2020, 11:20:28 PM »
A bunch of Jewish liberals.
So so sad.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2020, 11:20:55 PM »
I'm asking what you would do in a real life situation. We would take the situation and all it's factors to a rabbi with an extreme knowledge of the Torah, who can interpret it and apply it to our unique situation, which is essentially what @aygart said up thread, when he said
You never know until you are in that situation.
If you allow abortion in any circumstance then that is not being anti-abortion. I am not judging anyone.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #111 on: February 03, 2020, 11:21:48 PM »
Instead of claiming to know all of Torah Shebaal peh, can you give some concrete examples and sources to prove your assertions?
How about targum and rashi on the pasuk you quoted for starters? (The false absolute is duly noted)
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2020, 11:23:28 PM »
I don't have the answer. In Judaism if both mother and child are at risk is there a preference of one over the other? Don't know how to ask this without sounding cold.

Obviously very complex question but in a general sense as long as the child is in the womb the mother's life takes precedence. Once the child is mostly out of the womb, they carry equal weight.

As addressed here (although he left out the translation of the last line)
See this mishna from Ohalot:
הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁהִיא מַקְשָׁה לֵילֵד, מְחַתְּכִין אֶת הַוָּלָד בְּמֵעֶיהָ וּמוֹצִיאִין אוֹתוֹ אֵבָרִים אֵבָרִים, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁחַיֶּיהָ קוֹדְמִין לְחַיָּיו. יָצָא רֻבּוֹ, אֵין נוֹגְעִין בּוֹ, שֶׁאֵין דּוֹחִין נֶפֶשׁ מִפְּנֵי נָפֶשׁ:

A woman who was having trouble giving birth, they cut up the fetus inside her and take it out limb by limb, because her life comes before its life.

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2020, 11:24:31 PM »
But what are his views about abortion?
Just to repeat this question. Does he feel that abortion should be illegal?
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2020, 11:24:48 PM »
Politics is simply a yeshiva guys frummy version of sports.
Frummy? Thats still around? Havent heard it in yrs!

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2020, 11:25:07 PM »
Oy. Then what is an Orthodox Jew in NJ/NY that is listening to Rush?
Driving.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2020, 11:25:57 PM »
How about targum and rashi on the pasuk you quoted for starters?
And here I thought you were referring to some gemorahs.
This is going to be good.
Feel free to copy and paste it so we can get a clear idea of what you are talking about
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2020, 11:27:10 PM »
Driving.
You aren't listening to sichos when you drive? :o
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2020, 11:28:00 PM »
And here I thought you were referring to some gemorahs.

That is the next step
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2020, 11:33:51 PM »
You aren't listening to sichos when you drive? :o
Unfortunately not. I can't concentrate. If I do I am highly likely to miss a turn, an exit, or something of the sort.
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