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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2020, 06:56:18 PM »
Its actually a logical assertion.
How are liberals not wicked in the eyes of the Torah?
I'd love to hear you explain this one.
Its about the fact that he argues for age old Conservative values which tend to side with Torah values much more than liberal ones that are completely on the other side.
It really isn't that complicated.
I think I recognized your problem here. I think you are just very incapable of understanding nuance.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2020, 07:00:15 PM »
I think I recognized your problem here. I think you are just very incapable of understanding nuance.
Whatever
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2020, 07:00:44 PM »
Its actually a logical assertion.
How are liberals not wicked in the eyes of the Torah?
I'd love to hear you explain this one.
It is almost impossible to that one political viewpoint is entirely in line with Torah. (As the famous story with the sixth Chabad Rebbe goes).

Almost everything in this world is a mixture of good and bad. So to call one group of individuals entirely wicked based on their political viewpoint is asinine.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2020, 07:05:16 PM »
@CountValentine (I don't think you'll see this, but whatever) this is one of the threads to remember when you feel that you're the only one who ever gets "ganged up" on, and that us Jews will always protect one of our own even when he's wrong.

Maybe if you page one of his buddies, such as @ChaimMoskowitz or @JTZ he might end up seeing it.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2020, 07:13:30 PM »
It is almost impossible to that one political viewpoint is entirely in line with Torah. (As the famous story with the sixth Chabad Rebbe goes).

Almost everything in this world is a mixture of good and bad. So to call one group of individuals entirely wicked based on their political viewpoint asinine.
Agreed that the GOP isn't exactly Torah hashkafah, but it is much better than liberal points of view which are diametrically opposed.

I don't know what you mean by "entirely wicked" but arguing that women should be able to kill their babies, that marriages not between a man and a woman should have legal standing, that murderers should not get the chair etc. seems very wicked to me...
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2020, 08:00:21 PM »
But what are his views about abortion?
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2020, 08:21:23 PM »
Agreed that the GOP isn't exactly Torah hashkafah, but it is much better than liberal points of view which are diametrically opposed.

I don't know what you mean by "entirely wicked" but arguing that women should be able to kill their babies, that marriages not between a man and a woman should have legal standing, that murderers should not get the chair etc. seems very wicked to me...
Keep in mind that most likely not a single person who received the death penalty in the USA would have been killed by a bais din
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2020, 08:26:57 PM »
Keep in mind that most likely not a single person who received the death penalty in the USA would have been killed by a bais din
Bnei Noach are not required to follow the specific rules of a Jewish Bais Din.
They are required to have dinim. That is what the American judicial process it.

Humanity is also required to eliminate those who commit manslaughter, as per Hashem's clear instruction to Noach. 
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2020, 08:27:53 PM »
Keep in mind that most likely not a single person who received the death penalty in the USA would have been killed by a bais din

That doesn't necessarily mean it's against Torah. Bnei Noach are required to have their legal justice system.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2020, 08:31:28 PM »
How is advocating against all abortion the torah view? I'm not saying the torah allows abortion as birth control, but it clearly is lehavdil different than the x-tian and right wing position.

See this mishna from Ohalot:
הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁהִיא מַקְשָׁה לֵילֵד, מְחַתְּכִין אֶת הַוָּלָד בְּמֵעֶיהָ וּמוֹצִיאִין אוֹתוֹ אֵבָרִים אֵבָרִים, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁחַיֶּיהָ קוֹדְמִין לְחַיָּיו. יָצָא רֻבּוֹ, אֵין נוֹגְעִין בּוֹ, שֶׁאֵין דּוֹחִין נֶפֶשׁ מִפְּנֵי נָפֶשׁ:

A woman who was having trouble giving birth, they cut up the fetus inside her and take it out limb by limb, because her life comes before its life.

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2020, 08:43:52 PM »
Bnei Noach are not required to follow the specific rules of a Jewish Bais Din.
They are required to have dinim. That is what the American judicial process it.

Humanity is also required to eliminate those who commit manslaughter, as per Hashem's clear instruction to Noach. 
So your position is that a country which does not have the death penalty is being oiver on one of the 7 mitzvos?
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2020, 08:44:55 PM »
Rush and all the other passionate talk show hosts are a bunch of showbiz actors and nothing else!! If it bleeds it leads. Follow the money of Hannity, Levin and the other screaming fakers...

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2020, 08:46:14 PM »
Rush and all the other passionate talk show hosts are a bunch of showbiz actors and nothing else!! If it bleeds it leads. Follow the money of Hannity, Levin and the other screaming fakers...
...and don't forget the leftwing nutcases.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2020, 08:51:47 PM »
Drug addict - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

3 times divorce, 4 times married, many girl friends in between and likely during marriages, - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Flying to the Dominican Republic with 4 other guys while married and being busted for possession of illegal Viagra, vd'al - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Being super rich and accused of possible rape, while openly trying to repent, spending more time with family, giving millions to charity, - worst human possible no amount of good can possibly be good and cannot learn lessons from anything that happens to them (Horrible role model, not allowed to tell loved ones you love them when you hear they died with their daughter in a horrific accident)

Loving the logic here @Shkop
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2020, 08:58:37 PM »
Drug addict - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

3 times divorce, 4 times married, many girl friends in between and likely during marriages, - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Flying to the Dominican Republic with 4 other guys while married and being busted for possession of illegal Viagra, vd'al - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Being super rich and accused of possible rape, while openly trying to repent, spending more time with family, giving millions to charity, - worst human possible no amount of good can possibly be good and cannot learn lessons from anything that happens to them (Horrible role model, not allowed to tell loved ones you love them when you hear they died with their daughter in a horrific accident)

Loving the logic here @Shkop
I explained the obvious distinction between the two earlier already
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2020, 08:59:34 PM »
So your position is that a country which does not have the death penalty is being oiver on one of the 7 mitzvos?
It's definitely against what Hashem told Noach. I suppose it fits into dinim, but i'm not positive.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2020, 09:00:41 PM »
How is advocating against all abortion the torah view? I'm not saying the torah allows abortion as birth control, but it clearly is lehavdil different than the x-tian and right wing position.

See this mishna from Ohalot:
הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁהִיא מַקְשָׁה לֵילֵד, מְחַתְּכִין אֶת הַוָּלָד בְּמֵעֶיהָ וּמוֹצִיאִין אוֹתוֹ אֵבָרִים אֵבָרִים, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁחַיֶּיהָ קוֹדְמִין לְחַיָּיו. יָצָא רֻבּוֹ, אֵין נוֹגְעִין בּוֹ, שֶׁאֵין דּוֹחִין נֶפֶשׁ מִפְּנֵי נָפֶשׁ:

A woman who was having trouble giving birth, they cut up the fetus inside her and take it out limb by limb, because her life comes before its life.
That is a case of Rodef.
Most abortions are not Rodef cases.
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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2020, 09:05:16 PM »
...and don't forget the leftwing nutcases.
It’s amazing how talented they are that they can inflame the masses, and the gullible folk buys it hook line and sinker

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Re: May Rush Limbaugh have a speedy recovery
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2020, 09:35:20 PM »
Drug addict - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

3 times divorce, 4 times married, many girl friends in between and likely during marriages, - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Flying to the Dominican Republic with 4 other guys while married and being busted for possession of illegal Viagra, vd'al - Good (Excellent role model, please daven)

Being super rich and accused of possible rape, while openly trying to repent, spending more time with family, giving millions to charity, - worst human possible no amount of good can possibly be good and cannot learn lessons from anything that happens to them (Horrible role model, not allowed to tell loved ones you love them when you hear they died with their daughter in a horrific accident)

Loving the logic here @Shkop
I wonder what he thinks about Trump
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