Bloomberg vs Trump 2020

[good sam]

How is this different than the "pick your poison" thread? This seems much more poisonous.

For one thing, a certain member is noticeable absent

[Dan]

For one thing, a certain member is noticeable absent

Seems like @CountValentine just wanted access to the 5K lounge.

[good sam]

An interesting thing about this matchup is that it's another NY subway matchup like in 2016. Trump would once again lose his home state but at least not to an out-of-state opponent.

[Shauly101]

An interesting thing about this matchup is that it's another NY subway matchup like in 2016. Trump would once again lose his home state but at least not to an out-of-state opponent.

Trump left NY.... changed his residency to Fl...

maybe this was the reason behind it? 

[zh cohen]

Interpretation: Sanders is not going to pull this off.

Or, he'll will win the primary but not the general

[zh cohen]

Sanders ceiling has been around 25. Not gonna win a majority of delegates unless he can prove he can climb to higher numbers. Hence why so many people are still in it. This has contested convention written all over it. And hard to see Bernie winning at the DNC.

Change Bernie to Trump and I'm sure you can find a post with these exact words 4 years ago.

[whYME]

I don’t think this country will elect someone “married” to another man.

Please, that's the only reason anyone is even talking about him. If he wasn't gay he would just be another one of those candidates nobody even knows are running.

there's this

But voting for him makes many Dems feel good.

And also people want to see that historical "first."

(Go back and look at headlines from when Obama first won. there were no "Obama wins" headlines, they were all "first black president elected.")

[ExGingi]

Trump left NY.... changed his residency to Fl...

maybe this was the reason behind it? 

That might be a tax move. He might have run out of carryover losses.

[TimT]

Please, that's the only reason anyone is even talking about him. If he wasn't gay he would just be another one of those candidates nobody even knows are running.

there's thisAnd also people want to see that historical "first."

(Go back and look at headlines from when Obama first won. there were no "Obama wins" headlines, they were all "first black president elected.")

While the media might like to spin it this way would the average American vote for him just because he’s gay ? With Obama there was the whole dark history to factor in. What oppression have gays been put through, other than not being legally allowed to marry ?

[whYME]

While the media might like to spin it this way would the average American vote for him just because he’s gay ?

1. Don't forget we're talking about the Dems and moderates here, I do think there are more of those who would vote for him because he's gay than there are who wouldn't vote for him because he's gay.

2. Don't forget we're talking about him vs Trump, it's not just him in a vacuum. I don't think there are enough people who otherwise would vote D but won't here because he's gay to make any difference. (although I still think he loses to Trump)

[PlatinumGuy]

An interesting thing about this matchup is that it's another NY subway matchup like in 2016. Trump would once again lose his home state but at least not to an out-of-state opponent.

Trump 'losing' NY is a bit of a misnomer since NY hasn't voted Republican since Reagan in 1984

[good sam]

Trump 'losing' NY is a bit of a misnomer since NY hasn't voted Republican since Reagan in 1984

When was the last time a candidate lost their own state? Even Mondale won his own state.

[TimT]

1. Don't forget we're talking about the Dems and moderates here, I do think there are more of those who would vote for him because he's gay than there are who wouldn't vote for him because he's gay.

Then why not for a woman ? That should be more historical, considering what women went through.

[PlatinumGuy]

When was the last time a candidate lost their own state? Even Mondale won his own state.

Probably more testament to candidates being in line with their state, not the states bending to their candidate. 

[TimT]

When was the last time a candidate lost their own state? Even Mondale won his own state.

Mondale was a senator for 12 years.

[whYME]

Then why not for a woman ? That should be more historical, considering what women went through.

Same thing with a woman. I think there are more people (at least Democrats) who would vote specifically for a woman just because she's a woman than there are who vote against her because she's a woman.

I'm not saying that being gay or a woman is enough for someone to get elected, I'm just saying that there's not enough opposition to gays or women that it would prevent them from getting elected.

[aygart]

When was the last time a candidate lost their own state? Even Mondale won his own state.

Romney?

[good sam]

Romney?

True. I was thinking Utah.

[avromie7]

Probably more testament to candidates being in line with their state, not the states bending to their candidate.

This. The reason every candidate always won their home state is simply because if they won statewide office (US Senate or Governor), they clearly have support in their home state. If they weren't popular in their own state they wouldn't make it too far in the primaries.

[whYME]

This. The reason every candidate always won their home state is simply because if they won statewide office (US Senate or Governor), they clearly have support in their home state. If they weren't popular in their own state they wouldn't make it too far in the primaries.

Right. I think the whole winning the "home state" thing only applies to a politician in that state. For someone like Trump who wasn't in politics I don't see why it's relevant that he happens to live in that state.