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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2020, 02:51:12 PM »
Iíve been trying to stay away from such threads but I must say Iím surprised that more people are attacking @Shkopís opinion than agreeing with him.. his point actually seem to be correct and on target here. Iíll admit, after seeing this thread, I started the video, and shut it off after a few gross seconds. Horrible, and I think he should be ashamed.

I get it, some of you have other reasons for disagreeing with @Shkop specifically, and Iím not talking about that right now. But I think his point here is a good one.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2020, 02:54:41 PM »
I don't know what the guidelines should be or if it is possible to articulate specific guidelines.
I would venture to say that it is something best played by ear.

Based on the feeling of each individual each time? What made you feel that in this case it is better to publicize it?
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2020, 02:56:20 PM »
I think people here donít understand what a chillul Hashem is. If people would know the definition, I think more people would agree with @Shkop

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2020, 02:56:24 PM »
Good point. Perhaps I should have messaged him directly first, although I highly doubt he would take it down. He wrote glowingly about how this video was the right thing to do. Maybe he will care if many people are talking about it. Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.
Now that I know about it I care. I would much rather not have known. I care that you let me know about it.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2020, 02:59:54 PM »
Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.
We should care. But that doesn't necessitate this thread.

As a choshuv man I knew said about yelling shaaaaabos at cars in yerushalayim: "For sure you should be screaming, but nobody has to hear you."

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2020, 03:00:02 PM »
Now that I know about it I care. I would much rather not have known. I care that you let me know about it.
This is a good point, though
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2020, 03:00:09 PM »
Iíve been trying to stay away from such threads but I must say Iím surprised that more people are attacking @Shkopís opinion than agreeing with him.. his point actually seem to be correct and on target here. Iíll admit, after seeing this thread, I started the video, and shut it off after a few gross seconds. Horrible, and I think he should be ashamed.

I get it, some of you have other reasons for disagreeing with @Shkop specifically, and Iím not talking about that right now. But I think his point here is a good one.
It's a controversial point, and his track record isn't all that great...My point was regarding his point, not the video in question.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2020, 03:01:28 PM »
We should care. But that doesn't necessitate this thread.

As a choshuv man I knew said about yelling shaaaaabos at cars in yerushalayim: "For sure you should be screaming, but nobody has to hear you."
Exactly. I probably did a horrible job in making this point, but this is essentially what I wanted to say.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2020, 03:04:08 PM »
It's a controversial point, and his track record isn't all that great...My point was regarding his point, not the video in question.
I hear you about the track record.

There is another YouTube video channel which is ostensibly ďKosherĒ that recently did a similar thing, equally horrible. I wonít name it so as not to publicize it, but it is something that is unfortunately making inroads and gaining traction in our community and I do think we should call it out when we see it and send a message somehow that for us itís NOT acceptable.

Iím done on this thread for now blĒn.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2020, 04:37:43 PM »
You can agree or disagree with the video but the creator does not owe anyone an apology.

If you dont like it, hit the thumbs down, unsub, and leave an angry comment like a normal internet troll

Or better yet, don't watch

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2020, 04:47:25 PM »
The way some people have become so cold and indifferent to Judaism is scary.

Face it. Every one of you would have been screaming from the rooftop had this video been released twenty years ago. The straw man arguments here about "oh, THAT didn't bother you, but THIS does!" is pathetic.

Let's just run roughshod over the whole Torah in the name of political correctness.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2020, 05:03:41 PM »
You can agree or disagree with the video but the creator does not owe anyone an apology.

If you dont like it, hit the thumbs down, unsub, and leave an angry comment like a normal internet troll

Or better yet, don't watch
Would you be saying that if the content attacked you personally?

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2020, 05:13:09 PM »
Would you be saying that if the content attacked you personally?
I've always dealt with targeted harassment the same way. By ignoring it and not giving it attention.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2020, 07:38:03 PM »
Ok so other people haven't made an issue about it. Maybe they feel that it hasn't reached a level worthy of making an issue about it. Whatever their opinion, I think this video pushed things much further than anything prior.

Again - time will tell if it makes an impact.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2020, 07:53:05 PM »
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?

What if you were alone with someone who comes out of the closet much later - were you in yichud l'mafreia?

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2020, 08:08:34 PM »
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 08:11:39 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2020, 08:49:50 PM »
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
+10000000000000000 on both counts but that is the way people are.

« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 08:54:34 PM by aygart »
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2020, 09:08:33 PM »
Haven't watched the video. AMA
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2020, 09:11:38 PM »
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
You don't understand human nature?  I watched 30 seconds to see what I missed and closed it.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2020, 09:16:58 PM »
As someone who has watched a lot of Meir Kay's content over the years, and enjoyed it, I am happy that this video was brought to my attention. I did not watch the video, nor do I plan on watching any of his content anymore.

Regarding the Streisand affect argument - I don't think everyone understands how much "Jewish" content is being produced by Meir. He's very talented and his content is all over the place. People need to know about this video so he won't be hired for Jewish content - as long as he can't promise to adhere to basic Jewish standards.