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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2020, 01:26:50 PM »
What "offends" me? Well let's see....maybe the fact that such actively is highly problematic as per an open verse in the Torah...does that make any sense?
Again, you're speculating, and evenif true, is only about the individuals in the video, not Meir K. While he shouldn't be advocating for, or showing approval for it, you can hardly say it's straight out against the Torah.


For starters, if Hashem calls something an abomination, then we should concur. It's very logical. 
So you're taking over for Chazal/Gemara/Mishna and all others who contributed to giving us an understanding of the Torah? Again, even if so, None of this refers to someone who associates with the individual, it's solely about the individuals engaging in these acts.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2020, 01:28:26 PM »
Firstly, the Torah says lots of things, but not all of them can be instated in the times we live in.
True. Beth Din can not execute people today. Therefore?
While your point is correct, how do you know if these individuals engage in prohibited sexual acts?
Huh? That's typically what such people do. And even if not, they are very proud of the culture.
Assuming they do, what's that got to do with Meir Kay? So hate him for the associating with individuals you assume are doing something the torah (supposedly) says you should hate?
You just contradicted yourself. Anyway, the point is that he should take the video down and apologize. Oh, and the Torah uses the word "abomination".
To your last point, You are telling him what to do based on your opinion. I agree, He should not have made this video, or associated with these individuals as a practicing Jew, But that's up to him, and I can't tell him not to.
Why can't you tell him not to? Its a free country.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2020, 01:31:19 PM »
Putting aside the content of this particular video, I think that your suggestion and logic is flawed. No one ever gave Meir Key a hashgacha. He never once made a claim that everything he does is approved by the beis din in crown heights or anywhere else. You anger is that you allowed yourself to consider Meir Kay Kosher, and he turned out a "Traif" video, destroying your trust.

Clearly Meir has been putting out content similar (albeit minus the gay couple part) for years. He's also been invited to the Kinus, and to do the Kosher Superbowl halftime show with Nachum Segal. If others think like you, he may not be invited back.
Ok so other people haven't made an issue about it. Maybe they feel that it hasn't reached a level worthy of making an issue about it. Whatever their opinion, I think this video pushed things much further than anything prior.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2020, 01:38:08 PM »

True. Beth Din can not execute people today. Therefore?Huh? That's typically what such people do. And even if not, they are very proud of the culture. You just contradicted yourself. Anyway, the point is that he should take the video down and apologize. Oh, and the Torah uses the word "abomination". Why can't you tell him not to? Its a free country.
You clearly are missing the point here. All good. Whether they engage in these acts or not, (you can assume all you want, but don't know) that's on them, not Meir K. Being proud of the culture is a problem? For a non Jew, it would be hard to say that approving of this is an actual sin, if they aren't engaging.

How exactly did I contradict myself? I was quoting you on the term "hate" I know darn well what the Torah says.

Go ahead, tell him not to.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2020, 01:38:36 PM »
YOU aren't bothered b the whole idea of him celebrating a Catholic holiday?

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2020, 01:39:29 PM »
Again, you're speculating, and evenif true, is only about the individuals in the video, not Meir K.
So you feel the need to underscore that it is the people in the video, not Meir K., that are involved in such behavior. I don't think anyone thought otherwise.
While he shouldn't be advocating for, or showing approval for it, you can hardly say it's straight out against the Torah.
Are you serious? Let's say an Orthodox Jew advocates or shows approval for driving cars on Shabbos. Your argument would be that since he himself does not drive on Shabbos, there is nothing wrong with such behavior. It's unfortunate that such sad and illogical opinions exist out there.
you're taking over for Chazal/Gemara/Mishna and all others who contributed to giving us an understanding of the Torah?
I don't know what you mean about" taking over".
Again, even if so, None of this refers to someone who associates with the individual, it's solely about the individuals engaging in these acts.
See above. You are completely wrong.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2020, 01:39:56 PM »
YOU aren't bothered b the whole idea of him celebrating a Catholic holiday?
Of course not. This guy has proven several times on the forums that his opinions are strong and embedded with very little consistency or basis.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2020, 01:47:49 PM »
Wow. Im going to wrap this up due to your unbelievable inability to ever see the other side of anything. An open mind can help grow your own...


So you feel the need to underscore that it is the people in the video, not Meir K., that are involved in such behavior. I don't think anyone thought otherwise.
You're kidding, right? This whole thread was directed toward him, who al pi halacha probably did nothing wrong, although it was definitely not in the spirit of Judaism. (I'm not a posek, so I may be wrong here, but if you wish to refute, bring a source)

Are you serious? Let's say an Orthodox Jew advocates or shows approval for driving cars on Shabbos. Your argument would be that since he himself does not drive on Shabbos, there is nothing wrong with such behavior. It's unfortunate that such sad and illogical opinions exist out there.
Jeez, you just can't comprehend. I specifically said the it's not "straight out against the Torah" that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. He's in a far better place the the transgressor though.

You are completely wrong.
Source? (still waiting on the previous one by the way)
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2020, 01:51:54 PM »
You clearly are missing the point here. All good. Whether they engage in these acts or not, (you can assume all you want, but don't know)
Again, people who act that way typically engage in such behavior. Even if they don't, they clearly are acting as if they do.
that's on them, not Meir K.
It's on Meir K. for making a video about it. Why is that so difficult to understand?
For a non Jew, it would be hard to say that approving of this is an actual sin, if they aren't engaging. [/size]
Good question. Do non-Jews have Lifnei Iver on the 7 mitzvos. But Meir is the main point here not them.
Go ahead, tell him not to.
That's what I did
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2020, 01:53:06 PM »
Interesting how he's getting blasted in the YouTube comments but overwhelming love on Instagram with the exact same post. His Twitter is moribund so not even worth looking there. He is averaging around 5-10k views for each of his YT videos in the past year which has been trending down for some time and with 256k subs, that's really sort of shocking. Maybe he's just decided to change direction to his IG audience. Follow the $

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2020, 02:02:22 PM »
For starters, if Hashem calls something an abomination, then we should concur. It's very logical.

I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations.  That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.

Either you have a source that two men having feelings for one another or even romantically holding hands is an abomination--or you don't.  I don't know where the science is on this currently, and frankly, it doesn't really much matter, as the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."

It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).


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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2020, 02:02:32 PM »
You're kidding, right?
Nope.
This whole thread was directed toward him, who al pi halacha probably did nothing wrong, although it was definitely not in the spirit of Judaism. (I'm not a posek, so I may be wrong here, but if you wish to refute, bring a source) [/size]
I'm not so sure that no halacha was violated, but not being in the spirit of Judiasm is bad enough.
Jeez, you just can't comprehend. I specifically said the it's not "straight out against the Torah" that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it.
No need to twist yourself into a pretzel here. The video does fly in the face of what the Torah holds dear.
He's in a far better place the the transgressor though.[/size]
Therefore?
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2020, 02:12:23 PM »
J***, you just can't comprehend.
I would recommend avoiding that terminology.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2020, 02:13:19 PM »
I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations.  That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.

Either you have a source that two men having feelings for one another or even romantically holding hands is an abomination--or you don't.  I don't know where the science is on this currently, and frankly, it doesn't really much matter, as the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."

It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).



I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos.
Either way, without having seen it but rather based on the description, the video is horrible. Considering that the only one who seems to have the laxity in viewing or allowing to view anything labeled Jewish is @Shkop i don't see how publicizing this garbage to a crowd who probably would never have seen it otherwise and if they would have will not care about @Shkop commenting about it anyhow.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2020, 02:16:07 PM »
I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?
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