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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2020, 02:18:17 PM »
Nope.I'm not so sure that no halacha was violated, but not being in the spirit of Judiasm is bad enough. No need to twist yourself into a pretzel here. The video does fly in the face of what the Torah holds dear.Therefore?
So associating with someone who isn't in the spirit of the torah is enough to justify speaking loshon hara about them? Noted.


I would recommend avoiding that terminology.
I've spoken my piece on this before.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2020, 02:19:14 PM »
I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations. That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.
You are inferring that the Torah may actually not refer to such relations as an abomination. That is false.
Even if promoting an abominative activity does not rise to the level of actually engaging in such behavior, it still is highly problematic for Jews who actually care about following both the Torah and the spirit of the Torah. Besides, Meir himself wrote that he found such a couple for his video, so not sure why you feel the need to split hairs.
the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."
Good point. One who unfortunately has such a preference leads a difficult life. No doubt that if he controls himself he will merit a lot of Gan Eden. This world is an Olam Hafuch. We think certain people will be highest in Gan Eden, however we will be very much surprised about how it will actually turn out. (And no, I do not mean to insinuate that someone who actually violates Torah will be higher in Gan Eden than someone who does not. I mean that those who struggle to keep the Torah aren't always recognized properly in this world. They may in fact be greater than those who keep the Torah without any particular difficulty.)
It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2020, 02:22:45 PM »
I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos.
Either way, without having seen it but rather based on the description, the video is horrible. Considering that the only one who seems to have the laxity in viewing or allowing to view anything labeled Jewish is @Shkop i don't see how publicizing this garbage to a crowd who probably would never have seen it otherwise and if they would have will not care about @Shkop commenting about it anyhow.
That's funny cuz all sorts of videos are being posted on the DD Forums all the time....
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2020, 02:23:46 PM »
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2020, 02:26:54 PM »
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you some money for the publicity!
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2020, 02:32:16 PM »
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?
This is not a sugyo which I have gone through well, but it seems to be assur.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2020, 02:32:59 PM »
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.
Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
If he wants to take it down, he can. That would end the issue of getting more views.
He can also not care. Of-course he will have to give a din vcheshbon about it in front of the Bes Din Shel Maalah
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2020, 02:35:23 PM »
So associating with someone who isn't in the spirit of the torah is enough to justify speaking loshon hara about them? Noted.

I've spoken my piece on this before.
This video is more than simple association

I don't remember the discussion, if I had seen it at all, but it is, at the very least, distasteful.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2020, 02:36:31 PM »
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
That is true. What do you feel the guidelines of how to way benefit vs. detriment should be?

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2020, 02:37:20 PM »
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
If he wants to take it down, he can. That would end the issue of getting more views.
He can also not care. Of-course he will have to give a din vcheshbon about it in front of the Bes Din Shel Maalah
Did you try messaging him directly?
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care?
Other than exposing more people to the video and the L"H?
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2020, 02:38:18 PM »
That's funny cuz all sorts of videos are being posted on the DD Forums all the time....
There is a reason that I included the end of the sentence. Someone who will use whether or not a video was posted on DDF as a guidline for anything has much more serious issues.

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2020, 02:38:56 PM »
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care?

To make @Shkop feel good?

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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2020, 02:39:56 PM »
That is true. What do you feel the guidelines of how to way benefit vs. detriment should be?
I don't know what the guidelines should be or if it is possible to articulate specific guidelines.
I would venture to say that it is something best played by ear.
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Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2020, 02:45:04 PM »
Did you try messaging him directly?
Good point. Perhaps I should have messaged him directly first, although I highly doubt he would take it down. He wrote glowingly about how this video was the right thing to do.
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care? Other than exposing more people to the video and the L"H?
Maybe he will care if many people are talking about it. Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.



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