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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2020, 02:01:29 AM »
I didn't listen to this. But my rabbanim said I should join, so I joined.
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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2020, 03:20:21 PM »
http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/22220-show-260-wzo-to-join-or-not-to-join/

Thoughts?

He does not address the fact that by voting we would be legitimizing their claim to represent "American Jewry"

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2020, 03:35:13 PM »
i dont understand the opposition to voting
it can only benefit the Orthodox by voting en mass

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2020, 03:56:54 PM »
If the Moetzes is so opposed to it how can the allow the various orthodox organizations to be involved i.e. the OU and others
shouldnt they resign from those organizations

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2020, 04:07:25 PM »
http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/22220-show-260-wzo-to-join-or-not-to-join/

Thoughts?

R' Yitzchok Berkowitz is quoted repeatedly on the pod as being in support of voting. Is this verified?

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2020, 04:16:53 PM »
R' Yitzchok Berkowitz is quoted repeatedly on the pod as being in support of voting. Is this verified?

I can verify.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2020, 04:55:09 PM »
There's a video where he seems to be saying pretty clearly that he supports voting at this point because of how many different aspects it affects. I'm asking the person who sent it to me if I can post it publicly.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2020, 05:42:46 PM »
If the Moetzes is so opposed to it how can the allow the various orthodox organizations to be involved i.e. the OU and others
shouldnt they resign from those organizations

The Moetzes should resign from the OU? Huh?

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2020, 05:43:23 PM »
From: Rabbi Aharon Feldman <___@ nirc.edu>
Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Upcoming world zionist organization elections
To:xxxxx

Regarding your question regarding the upcoming elections for the World Zionist Organization:
To vote one must declare that he accepts the Jerusalem Program (statement of ideology) of the WZO. My opinion is that a Jew is forbidden to declare that he is a member, or ascribes to a program, of an organization whose platform fails to recognize the Jewish nation is a nation which received the Torah at Mount Sinai. Such a statement is a Chilul Hashem (desecration of G-d’s name) and may not be made no matter what the material or spiritual benefits will thereby accrue.
It is therefore forbidden to vote in this election.
Contrary to what is widely held, the position of the Mo’etzes Gedoley Hatorah of Agudath Israel is that it does not endorse voting in this election by any person.  It has not issued a public statement on the matter because of other considerations. The widespread idea that the Mo’etzes endorses voting has its source in a mistaken presentation of the Mo’etzes position by HaRav Elya Brudny who has since withdrawn his statement.
 
With deep respect,
Aharon Feldman 


This does not seem to be the position of Rav Shmuel

https://matzav.com/listen-hagaon-rav-shmuel-kamenetsky-on-voting-in-the-wzo-elections/



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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2020, 06:07:21 PM »
The Moetzes should resign from the OU? Huh?
if any person has dual membership they should resign from any organization who is pro-voting in the WZO

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2020, 06:08:25 PM »
if any person has dual membership they should resign from any organization who is pro-voting in the WZO
Why? Is this the first disagreement they have had on this exact concept?