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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2020, 10:44:53 AM »
In the Israeli elections you vote as a citizen of Israel, regardless of the policies and beliefs of the founders/government. With WZO it seems you have to affirm the mission statement of the WZO.
He addresses that specifically.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2020, 10:53:52 AM »
He addresses that specifically.
Rav Shmuel? He didn't say anything specifically in the audio clip that couldn't have been meant for the Israeli elections, if he actually misheard. I'm not saying that happened. I'm just saying that it's a remote possibility.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2020, 11:52:57 AM »
To be 100% fair, it seems like Rav Shmuel had a hard time hearing him (he was speaking fast). It may be that he understood that he was asking about the Israeli elections.

From the beginning of the recording I thought that as well, but it's clear seems clear from the end of the conversation that he was referring to WZO

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2020, 01:05:52 PM »
While the recording about WZO is still about WZO (as is clear from the recording)
I know. But the video mentions R Gershon, while the voice recording sounds like a personal psak

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2020, 03:53:35 PM »
I know. But the video mentions R Gershon, while the voice recording sounds like a personal psak
Hard to say there was anything personal, caller specifically mentioned R Shmuel does not know him, and he even asked if he should push his “talmidim” to vote as well.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2020, 07:52:10 PM »
Hard to say there was anything personal, caller specifically mentioned R Shmuel does not know him, and he even asked if he should push his “talmidim” to vote as well.
Personal as in his own shita not coming from aforementioned gedolim besides himself

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2020, 08:02:10 PM »
any reason why WZO election would be dif then knesset elections?
In the Israeli elections you vote as a citizen of Israel, regardless of the policies and beliefs of the founders/government. With WZO it seems you have to affirm the mission statement of the WZO.
But doesn't the MK need to swear an oath that would affirm specifics that would have similar issues?
From the beginning of the recording I thought that as well, but it's clear seems clear from the end of the conversation that he was referring to WZO
It seemed from the recording that he was pretty clear about the WZO

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2020, 08:21:13 PM »
But doesn't the MK need to swear an oath that would affirm specifics that would have similar issues?

Nope - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#Israel

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In the Knesset, the oath of office (or "declaration of allegiance") is as follows:

Oldest member of Knesset or chairperson: I pledge myself to bear allegiance to the State of Israel and faithfully to discharge my mandate in the Knesset.

Each other member of the Knesset, in turn: I pledge myself.

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2020, 04:56:44 PM »
https://matzav.com/statement-from-agudath-israel-on-the-kavod-of-gedolei-yisroel/

Someone ought to say it like it is. Vosizneias is a cesspool. They think that they, and the vile comments they give a platform to, can turn a disagreement among talmidei chachamin into a Rush Limbaugh political episode or a trashy tabloid piece. עפרא לפומייהו
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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2020, 11:02:22 AM »
Is this any surprise? Did the orthodox gain?

Preliminary results:

Vote Reform: 31,500

Orthodox Israel Coalition – Mizrachi: 21,698

Eretz Hakodesh: 20,023

MERCAZ USA: 14,666

ZOA Coalition: 10,313

American Forum for Israel: 8,132

Hatikvah: 7,932

Shas Olami: 2,046

Kol Yisrael: 1,752

Dorshei Torah V’Tziyon: 1,373

Herut Zionists: 1,157

Vision: 1,036

Americans4Israel: 857

Israel Shelanu: 769

Ohavei Zion: 375

2020 TOTAL: 123,629

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2020, 12:06:54 PM »
Is this any surprise? Did the orthodox gain?

Preliminary results:

Vote Reform: 31,500

Orthodox Israel Coalition – Mizrachi: 21,698

Eretz Hakodesh: 20,023

MERCAZ USA: 14,666

ZOA Coalition: 10,313

American Forum for Israel: 8,132

Hatikvah: 7,932

Shas Olami: 2,046

Kol Yisrael: 1,752

Dorshei Torah V’Tziyon: 1,373

Herut Zionists: 1,157

Vision: 1,036

Americans4Israel: 857

Israel Shelanu: 769

Ohavei Zion: 375

2020 TOTAL: 123,629
eretz hakodesh declaring victory  am I missing something?

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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2020, 12:18:52 PM »


Is this any surprise? Did the orthodox gain?

Preliminary results:

Vote Reform: 31,500

Orthodox Israel Coalition – Mizrachi: 21,698

Eretz Hakodesh: 20,023

MERCAZ USA: 14,666

ZOA Coalition: 10,313

American Forum for Israel: 8,132

Hatikvah: 7,932

Shas Olami: 2,046

Kol Yisrael: 1,752

Dorshei Torah V’Tziyon: 1,373

Herut Zionists: 1,157

Vision: 1,036

Americans4Israel: 857

Israel Shelanu: 769

Ohavei Zion: 375

2020 TOTAL: 123,629

Which groups would we consider orthodox? Eretz hakodesh, mizrachi, any others?
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Re: World Zionist Organization
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2020, 12:31:41 PM »

Which groups would we consider orthodox? Eretz hakodesh, mizrachi, any others?
The answer to that question differs depending on who's answering.

Maharats: They are all Orthodox at heart

Rabbi in Flatbush/Five Towns: Eretz Hakodesh and Mizrachi

Rabbi in Yerushalayim: Eretz Hakodesh

Rabbi in Brisk: NONE!
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