Author Topic: The Great Firewall... of the US (Read 6821 times)

Chaikel · « **on:** November 16, 2011, 07:46:00 PM »

http://americancensorship.org/

When did we turn into communist China? I guess when they owned $14 trillion of us.

AJK · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2011, 08:08:27 PM »

Granted I haven't done much research on this pending bill (beyond glancing over the site), but the Freedom of Speech guaranteed by the First Amendment cannot be overridden by any act of Congress... let alone this bill.

sguitarist18 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2011, 09:32:46 PM »

Why not - it's already illegal to post lyrics to a song online (lyric sites have been sued by recording companies).

BAHayman · « **Reply #3 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:28:42 PM »

The Protect IP video is worth watching:

AJK · « **Reply #4 on:** November 16, 2011, 11:23:06 PM »

Quote from: sguitarist18 on November 16, 2011, 09:32:46 PM

Why not - it's already illegal to post lyrics to a song online (lyric sites have been sued by recording companies).

There are limits. See, e.g., hate speech.

AJK · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2011, 01:04:51 AM »

Quote from: BAHayman on November 16, 2011, 10:28:42 PM

The Protect IP video is worth watching:

Goodness that makes it look pretty awful.

BAHayman · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2011, 01:05:27 AM »

Quote from: AJK on November 17, 2011, 01:04:51 AM

Goodness that makes it look pretty awful.

(nodding)

Chaikel · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:04:13 AM »

IMO every congress for this bill should be charged with corruption, because obviously the only may it has any traction is because the industry is funneling billions in their coffers

Chaikel · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2011, 03:39:03 AM »

Quote from: AJK on November 16, 2011, 08:08:27 PM

Granted I haven't done much research on this pending bill (beyond glancing over the site), but the Freedom of Speech guaranteed by the First Amendment cannot be overridden by any act of Congress... let alone this bill.

The DMCA has blatantly been overriding the first amendment for years

AsherO · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2011, 10:10:20 AM »

Quote from: Chaikel on November 17, 2011, 03:39:03 AM

The DMCA has blatantly been overriding the first amendment for years

And the RIAA/MPAA has been running a (sanctioned) racket for years.

AJK · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2011, 12:33:53 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on November 17, 2011, 03:39:03 AM

The DMCA has blatantly been overriding the first amendment for years

...in your opinion. That opinion is not, however, shared by those tasked to interpret it: federal judges.

Chaikel · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:27:21 PM »

Quote from: AJK on November 17, 2011, 12:33:53 PM

...in your opinion. That opinion is not, however, shared by those tasked to interpret it: federal judges.

It is my understanding that according to the DMCA, any digital communication that contains information on how to acquire digital content illegally, is prosecutable. I think that's a stretch to conspiracy, and is unconstitutionality. If the media wasn't so heavily impacted I'm sure they would've been running scare headlines for years now, however they all have blackout orders from their parent companies who are all major players in the RIAA/MPAA, so it gets little attention.

AJK · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:33:20 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on November 17, 2011, 02:27:21 PM

It is my understanding that according to the DMCA, any digital communication that contains information on how to acquire digital content illegally, is prosecutable. I think that's a stretch to conspiracy, and is unconstitutionality. If the media wasn't so heavily impacted I'm sure they would've been running scare headlines for years now, however they all have blackout orders from their parent companies who are all major players in the RIAA/MPAA, so it gets little attention.

As I mentioned above, there are limits and outer boundaries to protected speech. See, e.g., false advertising, hate speech, etc. Now, I'm no First Amendment exegete, but I'd imagine that spouting off about methods to illegally obtain copyrighted digital content likely falls outside the protected realm.

Dan · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2011, 02:59:09 PM »

http://www.mozilla.org/sopa/

ceejay · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2011, 04:41:26 PM »

I'm not sure how theyre gonna do this w/o breaking DNS

BAHayman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2011, 06:19:30 PM »

Quote from: ceejay on November 17, 2011, 04:41:26 PM

I'm not sure how theyre gonna do this w/o breaking DNS

Quite simple, they will just force the DNS providers (ISP, Google, etc) to not serve records for blocked domains.

ceejay · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2011, 10:12:38 AM »

If US-based DNS servers refuse to return to return records then no US server can be authoritative.

BAHayman · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2011, 10:35:26 AM »

Quote from: ceejay on November 18, 2011, 10:12:38 AM

If US-based DNS servers refuse to return to return records then no US server can be authoritative.

Yet they still will be...

Chaikel · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2012, 08:12:57 AM »

http://wh.gov/KiE

whYME · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2012, 01:54:58 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on November 17, 2011, 02:04:13 AM

IMO every congress for this bill should be charged with corruption, because obviously the only may it has any traction is because the industry is funneling billions in their coffers

Quote from: Chaikel on January 23, 2012, 08:12:57 AM

http://wh.gov/KiE

You could say that about almost any legislation. There's (almost) always some special interest ~~paying for~~ backing it...