Author Topic: Pesach Programs (Read 16525 times)

CountValentine · « **Reply #60 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:22:14 PM »

Quote from: zale on March 12, 2020, 11:20:45 PM

Nobody, not even so-called "experts" knows what will happen in 3 weeks. It could get much worse, or it can blow over.

What expert has said that in three weeks it can blow over?

zale · « **Reply #61 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:23:39 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:22:14 PM

What expert has said that in three weeks it can blow over?

None. Did I say that? I only said that there is speculation about warmer temperatures killing off viruses.

CountValentine · « **Reply #62 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:26:34 PM »

Quote from: zale on March 12, 2020, 11:23:39 PM

None. Did I say that? I only said that there is speculation about warmer temperatures killing off viruses.

So you are saying it can blow over?
The experts all say in the coming weeks it will be getting worse.

zale · « **Reply #63 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:30:04 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:26:34 PM

So you are saying it can blow over?
The experts all say in the coming weeks it will be getting worse.

I'm saying it can go either way. I have taken all precautions and follow all the expert advice from the CDC etc, but I still do believe that these experts don't know what the future looks like, as many will themselves admit. It could be that hundreds of thousands are already infected and it will continue to grow, or it could be that we were spared the brunt of it.

CountValentine · « **Reply #64 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:36:02 PM »

Quote from: zale on March 12, 2020, 11:30:04 PM

I'm saying it can go either way.

My point is that is reckless to say. All things point to it getting worse in the coming weeks. All the experts agree on this.

Can it die off in the summer months? That is what the experts don't know.

aygart · « **Reply #65 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:42:11 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:26:34 PM

So you are saying it can blow over?
The experts all say in the coming weeks it will be getting worse.

*it is likely to be getting worse.

Yammer · « **Reply #66 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:02:37 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on March 12, 2020, 11:03:12 PM

Why would you risk traveling?

If we're expecting 50% of the US population to get the virus anyhow, them ppl can technically start traveling... The question is if they will have quarantine though..

Quote from: zale on March 12, 2020, 11:20:45 PM

The best advice I can give you is prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Nobody, not even so-called "experts" knows what will happen in 3 weeks. It could get much worse, or it can blow over. Some suggest that warmer temperatures can kill off the virus in the same way it kills off the flu, while others suggest that this is not like the flu.

Again, prepare to make Pesach here, and if you are lucky, the world may be back to normal in three weeks.

Cases in Florida & California etc seem to indicate that it's not the case..

Yard sale · « **Reply #67 on:** March 13, 2020, 03:56:48 AM »

https://www.totallyjewishtravel.com/passover_resorts/passover-programs-2020-confirmed?fbclid=IwAR08U77EbmTVG6U0GjfrqgWLbZcjLd_zzmqBeigtWg8p0o-aL85gt366nhE

Sounds like Whistler thinks they are still taking place. Anyone think the Kushners show up this year?

Ergel · « **Reply #68 on:** March 13, 2020, 08:00:34 AM »

Quote from: knowitall on March 12, 2020, 06:06:04 PM

As of now I'm planning on going to the pesach hotel outside CLE, we'll see what happens.

I can imagine an enormous amount of machlokes in the hotel/orlando/airbnb space. Many people have non-refundable reservations or reservations without any clear contract regarding cancellations.

I had a clear contract with a tenant coming from America for Pesach with a non-refundable deposit of ~25%. I am letting him cancel bsimcha.

eis517 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 13, 2020, 08:59:45 AM »

Quote from: Ergel on March 13, 2020, 08:00:34 AM

I had a clear contract with a tenant coming from America for Pesach with a non-refundable deposit of ~25%. I am letting him cancel bsimcha.

You are a mentch!

cmey · « **Reply #70 on:** March 13, 2020, 10:21:41 AM »

Quote from: Yard sale on March 13, 2020, 03:56:48 AM

https://www.totallyjewishtravel.com/passover_resorts/passover-programs-2020-confirmed?fbclid=IwAR08U77EbmTVG6U0GjfrqgWLbZcjLd_zzmqBeigtWg8p0o-aL85gt366nhE

Sounds like Whistler thinks they are still taking place. Anyone think the Kushners show up this year?

According to this as of yesterday at least 75 Pesach Programs were confirming that they are still on. That’s bound to change.

ExGingi · « **Reply #71 on:** March 13, 2020, 11:09:59 AM »

Quote from: cmey on March 13, 2020, 10:21:41 AM

According to this as of yesterday at least 75 Pesach Programs were confirming that they are still on. That’s bound to change.

I guess many are still in denial.

Afrages6 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 13, 2020, 11:18:04 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on March 13, 2020, 11:09:59 AM

I guess many are still in denial.

Or they don’t really have a choice but to try and continue until the last possible moment. To back out now would bankrupt a lot of these program operators.

ExGingi · « **Reply #73 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:17:48 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on March 13, 2020, 11:09:59 AM

I guess many are still in denial.

A certain bochur called contacted me yesterday about getting cancel anytime insurance for himself and his brother for a Pesach program. His (divorced) mother was going to come from overseas and spend Pesach with her sons. The program referred him to a certain travel agent to get the coverage, and as a friend he asked me about it.

He was skeptical on whether his mother would be able to come, and wanted to protect himself and his brother (that had paid a 25% deposit and the balance is due within two weeks). I told him that I think there is less than 50% chance of the program actually taking place, and that IMHO purchasing the insurance will do absolutely nothing for them as it will not cover anything directly or indirectly related to COVID-19. I told him that anything he fears about that might be actually be covered will be covered by a regular policy. I tried to turn his focus to the refund policies of the program rather than insurance policies.

Yehudaa · « **Reply #74 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:19:41 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on March 13, 2020, 11:09:59 AM

I guess many are still in denial.

Or they know they're highly unlikely to operate but hope (know?) that they're better off financially if customers cancel on them than the opposite.

I'm not criticizing their decisions as anyone in that business is in a really tough spot right now and I can't imagine the hit they'll be taking because of this.

CountValentine · « **Reply #75 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:20:07 PM »

Quote from: Afrages6 on March 13, 2020, 11:18:04 AM

Or they don’t really have a choice but to try and continue until the last possible moment. To back out now would bankrupt a lot of these program operators.

Then help out the operators but these all need to be canceled.

aygart · « **Reply #76 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Yehudaa on March 13, 2020, 12:19:41 PM

Or they know they're highly unlikely to operate but hope (know?) that they're better off financially if customers cancel on them than the opposite.

I'm not criticizing their decisions as anyone in that business is in a really tough spot right now and I can't imagine the hit they'll be taking because of this.

They should be planning on contingency. Many of them are able to be offering a catering service to their customers possibly with arranging to have their homes set up for Pesach.

ExGingi · « **Reply #77 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:24:01 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on March 13, 2020, 12:20:07 PM

Then help out the operators but these all need to be canceled.

That's what insurance is for, but I wonder how many operators carry insurance policies that would cover this. I think it's crazy if they don't as there are multiple disruptive reasons than can bring about massive cancellations.

israshot · « **Reply #78 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:49:17 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on March 13, 2020, 12:24:01 PM

That's what insurance is for, but I wonder how many operators carry insurance policies that would cover this. I think it's crazy if they don't as there are multiple disruptive reasons than can bring about massive cancellations.

This is one of the reasons they are not canceling proactively. They are waiting for a legal reason to be covered by the insurance (like the max amount in Israel of 100 ppl and NYS 500 etc.)

grodnoking · « **Reply #79 on:** March 13, 2020, 12:51:01 PM »

Quote from: israshot on March 13, 2020, 12:49:17 PM

This is one of the reasons they are not canceling proactively. They are waiting for a legal reason to be covered by the insurance (like the max amount in Israel of 100 ppl and NYS 500 etc.)

So why are 500+ programs not canceled yet? Cuomo offered to shut anyone with over 500 people down if they want.
Edit: I guess they have to wait till later today for the rule to go in effect.