Pesach Programs

[aygart]

not so many. The ones that have confirmed that they are still planning on opening are Honors Haven and Hudson Valley. I don't think the Raleigh or Oppenheimers confirmed if they're opening or not. How many more programs in NYS do you know of?
NJ has a bunch and they still think they're opening....

I meant in general not the ones "still opening"

[moko]

I meant in general not the ones "still opening"

I understood. There aren't that many in NYS. Many more in CT and NJ

[yuneeq]

NJ with only 29 cases, they don't see it yet the same way as NY. Although it just a matter of days until the numbers goes up there too. Again, they need a legal reason to be forced to cancel it.
The same way as Broadway shows needed Cuomo to claim their insurance.

50 in NJ

[Let3]

I have family that was supposed to go to Spain.
They canceled on the program, but as of now the program said they will still operate.
They said they already invested too much money that they cannot get back so it is not worth it for them to shut, rather keep whatever people they can get.
Not offering any deposits back (or credits for next year etc).

[zh cohen]

I wonder if they'll put some kind of an ad this week announcing closure or some other measures, or they're just conserving cash at this point.

They ran the same ad this week (in the English Mishpacha)

[ExGingi]

They ran the same ad this week (in the English Mishpacha)

I guess English Mishpacha is on a 1 week delay. This week Hebrew Mishpacha had only 2 pages of Pesach Program ads.

With the new regulations I guess they should all realize that none are happening.

[zale]

I guess English Mishpacha is on a 1 week delay. This week Hebrew Mishpacha had only 2 pages of Pesach Program ads.

With the new regulations I guess they should all realize that none are happening.

Considering that they are making money off the ads, I don't see why they would.

[ExGingi]

Considering that they are making money off the ads, I don't see why they would.

I was referring to the advertisers, not the publishers.

[dealfinder11]

I was referring to the advertisers, not the publishers.

most buy ads as a block (say for 10 weeks) so money already spent.

[zale]

I have family that was supposed to go to Spain.
They canceled on the program, but as of now the program said they will still operate.
They said they already invested too much money that they cannot get back so it is not worth it for them to shut, rather keep whatever people they can get.
Not offering any deposits back (or credits for next year etc).

Next year we will be seeing long contracts for Pesach programs that will state things like “not responsible for unforeseen epidemics etc”

[moko]

Pesach Time Tours is officially closed.
A real mentch. He didn't completely ignore the financial aspect but aspect people to be patient and they work through the thorny financial issues and recover as much money as possible.

[neveryou]

If paid by credit card, do a chargeback

[zh cohen]

If paid by credit card, do a chargeback

Or you can be a mench and reach out to the program first.

[knowitall]

i Hear both sides

A) If there was no contract outlining a cancellation policy, and someone cancelled 30 days before, maybe they should get a 100% refund?

B) Even if the operator can get back his deposit from the hotel, and that’s a big if, there are always other costs such as food orders, advertising, administrative costs....
If this is “force majeure” or an “Act of G-d”, why should he eat the loss?

What do you think?

[ExGingi]

i Hear both sides

A) If there was no contract outlining a cancellation policy, and someone cancelled 30 days before, maybe they should get a 100% refund?

B) Even if the operator can get back his deposit from the hotel, and that’s a big if, there are always other costs such as food orders, advertising, administrative costs....
If this is “force majeure” or an “Act of G-d”, why should he eat the loss?

What do you think?

What difference does it make what I think. The question is what is right according to Halacha.