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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2540 on: August 04, 2021, 09:09:19 AM »
The idea of denying care to unvaxxed COVID patients is cruel and will likely make no dent in vaccination rates. The people that arenít vaxxed donít think thereís something to be afraid of, why would they get vaxxed in case they might need the hospital?

A better idea is to reward vaxxed patients by ensuring thereís always enough beds and staff to treat them at the proper level of care. If that means unvaxxed may sometimes get a lower level of care, so be it.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2541 on: August 04, 2021, 09:13:18 AM »
The idea of denying care to unvaxxed COVID patients is cruel and will likely make no dent in vaccination rates. The people that arenít vaxxed donít think thereís something to be afraid of, why would they get vaxxed in case they might need the hospital?

A better idea is to reward vaxxed patients by ensuring thereís always enough beds and staff to treat them at the proper level of care. If that means unvaxxed may sometimes get a lower level of care, so be it.
Not getting vaccinated and burdening everybody else is crueler. Even if there are many people doing it.

Anyways I have no issue in giving care to the untaxed insofar as it doesn't take up capacity from others. I just put it more bluntly because that what it ultimately boils down to.

Freedom goes both ways. You can't make me care for you but refuse to let me vaccinate you.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2542 on: August 04, 2021, 09:18:37 AM »
Anyways I have no issue in giving care to the untaxed
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2543 on: August 04, 2021, 09:20:00 AM »
Oh boy this is some typo
Lol my computer actually did it. Meant to say unvaxxed, but I'll leave it.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2544 on: August 04, 2021, 09:20:18 AM »


And therefore?

Nothing. Just pointing that out

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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2545 on: August 04, 2021, 09:21:16 AM »
Not getting vaccinated and burdening everybody else is crueler. Even if there are many people doing it.

Anyways I have no issue in giving care to the untaxed insofar as it doesn't take up capacity from others. I just put it more bluntly because that what it ultimately boils down to.

Freedom goes both ways. You can't make me care for you but refuse to let me vaccinate you.

As mentioned above, there are loads of patients hospitalized from self inflicted causes and we donít treat them any different. To make a sudden change and punish unvaxxed is cruel. The only possible excuse to deny unvaxxed patients would be if it motivated people to get vaccinated, but it wonít. If we want to ensure proper care to vaxxed patients we can do that without denying anyone treatment.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2546 on: August 04, 2021, 09:22:41 AM »
If we want to ensure proper care to vaxxed patients we can do that without denying anyone treatment.
That is not true in Louisiana now and likely a few states very soon. Denying/giving lower standard are morally equivalent.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2547 on: August 04, 2021, 09:22:59 AM »
Freedom goes both ways. You can't make me care for you but refuse to let me vaccinate you.
Very nice catchphrase. Source ?

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« Reply #2548 on: August 04, 2021, 09:24:03 AM »
Very nice catchphrase. Source ?
Coined as I typed. Inspired by Amex hold music.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2549 on: August 04, 2021, 09:25:37 AM »
Which free nation has this rule ?

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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2550 on: August 04, 2021, 09:31:26 AM »
That is not true in Louisiana now and likely a few states very soon. Denying/giving lower standard are morally equivalent.

Not equivalent at all. One is a matter of prioritization when resources are limited and the other is denying care even if itís available just to spite them for making a stupid mistake. .
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2551 on: August 04, 2021, 09:40:07 AM »
Which free nation has this rule ?
Which other nation doesn't have universal healthcare? You want to be like everybody else or you want to have 'freedom'?

The UK mandated small pox vaccine in 1853 and 47 US states required it for entry to Public School. France & Greece already mandated Covid vaccine for certain classes of people, and there are other vaccines with are complulary in

In Italy, in 2017 vaccination against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, poliovirus, Haemophilus influenzae type b, measles, mumps, rubella and varicella became compulsory in childhood.

There are 11 European countries with mandatory vaccines http://www.asset-scienceinsociety.eu/reports/page1.html.

This wasn't controversial until one side of the political map found it to difficult to accept and reality and consistently tries pretending every aspect of the pandemic isn't real.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2552 on: August 04, 2021, 09:42:14 AM »
Not equivalent at all. One is a matter of prioritization when resources are limited and the other is denying care even if itís available just to spite them for making a stupid mistake. .
I never meant to spite. I meant giving care to the vaxed and other causes even if it requires denying or giving a lower standard of care to those who chose to screw everybody else. Giving a lower standard of care and denying care are one and the same from a moral perspective in such circumstances.

I am not the one who called for freedom, but that's what freedom would be. Personally, I'd rather put a gun to peoples head and vaccinate them. 
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2553 on: August 04, 2021, 09:47:23 AM »
Which of the nations you mentioned has this rule that if you donít listen to us we wonít treat you ?

If the healthcare is that great everywhere else why are they desperate to get to the US for treatment ? Go ahead & wait indefinitely for your procedure in England & when they botch it up good luck trying to get $1 out of them.

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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2554 on: August 04, 2021, 09:49:46 AM »
Personally, I'd rather put a gun to peoples head and vaccinate them.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2555 on: August 04, 2021, 09:55:57 AM »
Not equivalent at all. One is a matter of prioritization when resources are limited and the other is denying care even if itís available just to spite them for making a stupid mistake. .
I understood him as saying that we should divert resources to prioritize the vaxxed and those in for other causes when an unvaxxed patient presents with COVID. Sometimes, that would be the equivalent of denying care. Not saying I agree, just explaining. Then again, Iím not saying I disagree.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2556 on: August 04, 2021, 10:02:17 AM »
Which of the nations you mentioned has this rule that if you donít listen to us we wonít treat you ?

They have the reverse, they force you to take the vaccine. You're the one that advocated for freedom to prevent the collective from imposing that on others.

I understood him as saying that we should divert resources to prioritize the vaxxed and those in for other causes when an unvaxxed patient presents with COVID. Sometimes, that would be the equivalent of denying care. Not saying I agree, just explaining. Then again, Iím not saying I disagree.
That is what I meant
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2557 on: August 04, 2021, 10:03:34 AM »
Anyone who wants a vaccine can get one.
Those who don't get one are making their own choice.  It's not the responsibility of everyone else to radically change their behavior to save them from themselves.

But theyíre making a choice that will kill other people, significantly more than second-hand smoke or other legal choices that kill people downstream.
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Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related
« Reply #2558 on: August 04, 2021, 10:07:50 AM »
https://twitter.com/arielkarlinsky/status/1422478212328796173

Thanks for sharing.

While this does show underreported COVID in some countries, it also seems to show something else:

Developed countries that reported accurate COVID deaths and show excess mortality equal to or lower than COVID death count is meaningful. It tells us that there isnít this significant increase in deaths from economic/psychological/other causes, e.g. cancer patients whose remission lapsed but they couldnít get their regularly scheduled screenings and didnít discover the relapse soon enough).

Does my interpretation make sense?
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« Reply #2559 on: August 04, 2021, 10:08:43 AM »
They have the reverse, they force you to take the vaccine.
England forced everyone to vaccinate ?