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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2022, 09:20:50 PM »
If anyone deserves the death penalty it is Nikolas Cruz.
For shame.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2022, 11:19:08 PM »
I just came acrross a letter from Rav Moshe to President Reagan on this topic: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=921&st=&pgnum=290&hilite=
Because people often don't do links:



Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2022, 11:51:01 PM »
רמב״ם




If anyone deserves the death penalty it is Nikolas Cruz.
For shame.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2022, 12:05:14 AM »

I wasn't responding to you, in particular, as I haven't been following the news/story. it was just that you just bumped the thread which reminded me that I only posted a link and not the actual letter here.
Small people talk about other people.
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2022, 12:21:25 AM »
I wasn't responding to you, in particular, as I haven't been following the news/story. it was just that you just bumped the thread which reminded me that I only posted a link and not the actual letter here.

Btw his letter to Reagan may not reflect the entirely of his feelings on the matter.



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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2022, 03:53:36 PM »
Btw his letter to Reagan may not reflect the entirely of his feelings on the matter.


This 2 stories also somewhat contradict each other

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2022, 03:56:47 PM »
This 2 stories also somewhat contradict each other
Not really. Sounds like it was only a public declaration of support that he refused to condone.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2022, 05:03:47 PM »
Out of line?

"Many wished him a painful death and expressed hope he would be raped or killed in prison."

https://news.yahoo.com/parkland-shooter-nikolas-cruz-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole-203821138.html
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2022, 07:42:12 PM »
Out of line?

"Many wished him a painful death and expressed hope he would be raped or killed in prison."

https://news.yahoo.com/parkland-shooter-nikolas-cruz-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole-203821138.html
I do not think so at all.
When the Justice system fails like this, the victims hope and pray for divine retribution which can be in all types of ways.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2022, 07:57:06 PM »
I do not think so at all.
When the Justice system fails like this, the victims hope and pray for divine retribution which can be in all types of ways.
I don't they were praying for divine intervention.  ;)
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2022, 05:25:41 PM »
I don't they were praying for divine intervention.  ;)

+1

The idea that this would be okay ignores the fact that it requires someone to do the raping/killing, and that is certainly not good.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2022, 05:28:34 PM »
For some reason, praying to G-d to rape or kill someone IMHO is not a good idea.
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2022, 05:46:04 PM »
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2022, 05:49:29 PM »
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2022, 07:43:21 PM »
+1

The idea that this would be okay ignores the fact that it requires someone to do the raping/killing, and that is certainly not good.
From their perspective it it would be commendable if someone killed him. Not sure why you say it wouldn’t be good.
I’m not referring to raping or torturing him, that’s a different story.

Also it’s admittedly complicated but not sure why you’re convinced divine retribution can’t come through people doing bad thing.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2022, 07:45:09 PM »
For some reason, praying to G-d to rape or kill someone IMHO is not a good idea.
Disagree

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2022, 07:57:42 PM »
Disagree
I am glad you do. That seals it for me.  :)
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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2023, 11:00:29 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-deliberations-death-penalty.html

Let's hope no jurors drop the ball on expediting his trip to hell.

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Re: Death Penalty
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2023, 01:19:54 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-deliberations-death-penalty.html

Let's hope no jurors drop the ball on expediting his trip to hell.
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