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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #100 on: March 13, 2020, 03:49:30 PM »
Nope you can have your opinion just like me. If you think going out to get food for your family and going out to party/celebration is the same then so be it.
I don't think it's the same but there are other options and yet you chose what you believed to be more convenient ( I presume- could be wrong) not necessarily the safest option

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #101 on: March 13, 2020, 03:52:50 PM »
I don't think it's the same but there are other options and yet you chose what you believed to be more convenient ( I presume- could be wrong) not necessarily the safest option
I didn't choose anything. Your beef is with my wife, she is one that went out to get me crab legs for dinner. No meat today during Easter.  :)
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #102 on: March 13, 2020, 04:09:01 PM »
can we please stay on topic. No need to hijack this thread.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #103 on: March 13, 2020, 04:26:06 PM »
Mikvah?!? For chasidim this is a problem
As a gathering place or it can be passed through water ?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #104 on: March 13, 2020, 04:29:51 PM »
As a gathering place or it can be passed through water ?

Not sure the actual Mikva is a problem (chlorine goes a long way) as much as in the room before and after.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #105 on: March 13, 2020, 04:38:29 PM »
Anyone see this?


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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #106 on: March 13, 2020, 04:48:02 PM »
Nope you can have your opinion just like me. If you think going out to get food for your family and going out to party/celebration is the same then so be it.
Not an opinion. Matter of Jewish law. Sorry.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #107 on: March 13, 2020, 04:50:57 PM »
Not an opinion. Matter of Jewish law. Sorry.
Source?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #108 on: March 13, 2020, 04:52:30 PM »
Source?
source for what? I haven’t said anything other that this is a matter of Jewish Law

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2020, 04:54:13 PM »
Anyone see this?

Just about everyone

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2020, 04:56:12 PM »
Anyone see this?

from YWN

The following letter was written by Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita regarding protection from the Corona Pandemic. It was translated and annotated by Rabbi Yair Hoffman for the 5TJT.com.

Rav Kanievsky’s words are in boldface.  Rabbi Yair Hoffman’s additions are in italics and in plain type.  Rabbi Hoffman’s additions are the background that is necessary to understand Rav Chaim’s words.  May we all have yeshuos. YH

BS”D

Adar 5780

Regarding the concern of transmission of the Corona Virus Pandemic

Everyone must be mechazek to refrain from Lashon Harah and rechilus as it states in Arachin 15b:  [Why is a leper so different, that the Torah states: “He shall dwell alone; outside of the camp shall be his dwelling” (Vayikrah 13:46)? He (Rabbi Chaninah) answered: By speaking badly] he separated between a husband and wife and between one person and another; therefore he is punished with tzara’as, and the Torah says: “He shall dwell alone; outside of the camp shall be his dwelling.”

They must further strengthen themselves in the midah of humility and to be maavir al midosav as the pirush  haRosh on the side of the page says explicitly in the end of Horios [14a],

The Gemorah there cites a debate between Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel and the chachomim as to who is preferable – a Sinai, one who is extremely knowledgeable or an Okair Harim – One who uproots mountains, one who is extremely sharp.

The Gemara explains that this is not just theoretical.  Rav Yosef was a Sinai; Rabba was one who uproots mountains. They sent a message from Bavel to Eretz Yisrael: Which takes precedence? They sent in response: Sinai is preferable, as the Master said: Everyone requires the owner of the wheat, i.e., one who is expert in the sources. And even so, Rav Yosef did not accept upon himself the appointment of head of the yeshiva. Rabba did accept it upon himself and he reigned for twenty-two years, and then Rav Yosef reigned. The Gemara relates that in all of those years that Rabba was in charge, Rav Yosef did not even call a bloodletter to his home. Rav Yosef did not assume even the slightest authority, in deference to Rabba.

The Rosh explains in the name of the Ramah that since Rav Yosef lowered himself and did not wish to lord over Rabbah, his humility protected both him and his household members that not any of them became ill all of those years that Rabbah ruled and even an expert bloodletter was not needed to be called to his home.

Whoever strengthens himself in these the merit will protect him and his family members that not one of them will be sick.

[Rav] Chaim Kanievsky
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2020, 04:57:25 PM »
source for what? I haven’t said anything other that this is a matter of Jewish Law
That going to a wedding at risk of health is the same as going to get food? What is your source in Jewish Law that they are the same? Am i misunderstanding you?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2020, 04:59:01 PM »
Not an opinion. Matter of Jewish law. Sorry.
What is a matter of Jewish law?
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2020, 05:00:35 PM »
Shuls in CLE are either closing or asking women and kids to daven at home.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2020, 05:01:25 PM »
That going to a wedding at risk of health is the same as going to get food? What is your source in Jewish Law that they are the same? Am i misunderstanding you?
Yes you are misunderstanding me. My point is, the question of going to a wedding in this circumstance is not something someone with zero knowledge or understanding of Jewish Law should have any authority  to attempt to make any call on.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #115 on: March 13, 2020, 05:01:58 PM »
What is a matter of Jewish law?
going to a wedding

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #116 on: March 13, 2020, 05:04:03 PM »
going to a wedding
Sorry I am clueless what Jewish law requires about weddings. Who must go? Must there be a public celebration with a large group?
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #117 on: March 13, 2020, 05:05:10 PM »
Sorry I am clueless what Jewish law requires about weddings. Who must go? Must there be a public celebration with a large group?
exactly my point. And like everything else in Jewish Law, it’s not simple to answer lol

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #118 on: March 13, 2020, 05:07:25 PM »
https://outorah.org/p/27221/

Interesting. “Rabbeinu Yonah adds that performing this mitzvah protects one from yissurin, pain (Sharei Teshuva 4:11).”

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #119 on: March 13, 2020, 05:07:55 PM »
exactly my point. And like everything else in Jewish Law, it’s not simple to answer lol
Then help me out. If Jewish law requires a large celebration or any celebration after the wedding then my opinion would change. Isn't that a good thing?
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