Corona virus and your shul

[moko]

2. Stores are not the same risk level since it is not sustained exposure.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for shuls to be open but this is probably incorrect. Being in this situation, I've been monitoring our local stores and have come to realize it's an unmitigated disaster in term spreading the virus.
You have virtually no control over who walks in. getting customers to follow protocols in place is nearly impossible. Countless unknown individuals are handling products and putting them back on the shelf for the next person to handle a minute later.
I've seen up close and personal how all this is going on after monitoring stores for many hours. All this despite the employees and mashgichim  following strict protocols.

[Proisrael]

But officer he was speeding to.

If you understood the meaning of prayer you wouldnt say that.

[hvaces42]

Choteh umechateh

Moron is more appropriate.

[chevron]

If you understood the meaning of prayer you wouldnt say that.

So people need to pray and not eat ?

I am not hoarding but as I mentioned in the other thread that I have enough supplies to tide me.

I have cut down all contact that is not urgent.

We stopped going to our parents, our bubby is keh 95.

I needed to pick something up and my father would only let me do it from the porch.

People should have stocked up well in advance. People should be ordering online for delivery etc.

[hvaces42]

I begged one of the people I know that are partners in one of the bigger groceries this morning to limit number of people and limit amount of time to shop. Got no response. This is so simple. 25 people in the store at any given time. 20 minute max shopping. Can really go a long way toward stopping the panic also.

[skyguy918]

I really don't see why shuls can't be open, as long as appropriate precautions are put in place, and someone is put in charge of actually enforcing them in each shul. Is it so crazy to force everyone to wear gloves and mask if they want to come in? Direct people to specific seats so as to spread people out? Everyone bring their own siddurim? No one over a certain age, and no one experiencing any symptoms? No one who needs to be quarantined due to necessary contact with elderly/immunocompromised people? Etc, etc.

Schools unfortunately would be impossible to do something similar.

ETA: Before anyone jumps on that, I fully realize that most places that are open aren't actually doing all these things. But that begs the questions, why not? And why can't places that are closed institute such things and stay open?

[aygart]

True. However how many people were first to drop minyan before going to restaurants. And people are still going shopping regardless of how many people are there.

So because of these people everyone should ignore the dangers?

[TimT]

Can really go a long way toward stopping the panic also.

I’m afraid that would have the reverse effect. In a bad way

[dealfinder11]

I defer to da'as taroah when it comes to psak, so I will not state my opinion. However it is worth noting that Lakewood has also yet to a have a single confirmed case. We will see how long that lasts, however until then i would be surprised if anything changes.

Update: still no confirmed cases in Lakewood. And yes there is testing in Chemed. Koach Hatorah!

[gingyguy]

I begged one of the people I know that are partners in one of the bigger groceries this morning to limit number of people and limit amount of time to shop. Got no response. This is so simple. 25 people in the store at any given time. 20 minute max shopping. Can really go a long way toward stopping the panic also.

25 people in the store at a time , means that there will be 100s of people a day that have no access to a store. there are no where near enough groceries to maintain such a rule and still have everyone able to shop for their neccessities

[TimT]

Look what a voice note about water caused.

[CountValentine]

If you understood the meaning of prayer you wouldnt say that.

I can pray all by myself.

[flyingace]

Update: still no confirmed cases in Lakewood. And yes there is testing in Chemed. Koach Hatorah!

Very limited testing. Only if you've been exposed to a positive case. MANY people with symptoms are being denied testing. It's all there but not tested, including in Yeshiva.

[dealfinder11]

Very limited testing. Only if you've been exposed to a positive case. MANY people with symptoms are being denied testing. It's all there but not tested, including in Yeshiva.

where is there not limited testing??? South Korea has a 96 percent negative test rate. just because someone is feeling symptoms, it doesn't mean they have the virus.

[hvaces42]

25 people in the store at a time , means that there will be 100s of people a day that have no access to a store. there are no where near enough groceries to maintain such a rule and still have everyone able to shop for their neccessities

25 people on a rolling basis with numbers and time limits. I dont see why not.

[mochjas]

Update: still no confirmed cases in Lakewood. And yes there is testing in Chemed. Koach Hatorah!

so Yerushalayim has no koach Hatorah? Neither does Brooklyn? only Lakewood? Cut the non sense please.....

[flyingace]

You cannot say there are no cases if the testing is not available. As soon as NYC made tests available the numbers rose. Let all the people begging for testing be tested and then see what the story is. Not saying it's on purpose, but there are very limited tests available at this point.

[hvaces42]

Look what a voice note about water caused.

And shoprite had plenty of water today. They didnt anticipate that. You can schedule orderly lines with security. They do it for every other stupid event with Shomrim and Shmira. Maybe its time they did it with this. Or, time for all the groceries to band together and pool resources in one open place. 18th Avenue Park for BP. Set up tents with staples and ration cards. Like the pesach distribution but for profit.

[dealfinder11]

You cannot say there are no cases if the testing is no available. As soon as NYC made tests available the numbers rose.

It is available. Just limited. Just like everywhere else. Bli Ayin Harah. Which is pretty remarkable if you consider the circumstances.

[Yard sale]

Update: still no confirmed cases in Lakewood. And yes there is testing in Chemed. Koach Hatorah!

That’s because there were almost no tests available earlier last week. The test given more recently take several days to come back.