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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2360 on: May 24, 2020, 02:20:37 PM »
What were you saying before Purim?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2361 on: May 24, 2020, 02:21:03 PM »
What were you saying before Purim?

Why get Purim involved? Forget mass deaths, he doesn't believe a single person will die anymore, and apparently, his beliefs are shared by over 10,000 other frum yidden in NY. I don't get it. I feel like I jumped down Alice's rabbit hole.
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Re: Re: So How Was Your Shul This Week?
« Reply #2362 on: May 24, 2020, 02:21:06 PM »
Maybe let's not be too quick.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2363 on: May 24, 2020, 02:21:37 PM »
Exactly.

That's why things like פרוזבול and בעל חוב בבינונית were done שלא תנעול דלת בפני לווין.

If you go to the most extreme measures, it will end up backfiring. Keeping extreme restrictions in place, when it doesn't seem to make any sense to the masses, will backfire in a way that all restrictions will be ignored. Allowing sensible reopening, shul crowd control (someone mentioned fire regulations - use a similar measure and put a "COVID-19 Marshal" in charge), making hand sanitizers, tissues, papertowels and even face shields readily available, will go much further than across the board bans!
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There are many here who are all excited about how they had a packed shul with no restrictions with a Kiddush etc.
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Re: Re: So How Was Your Shul This Week?
« Reply #2364 on: May 24, 2020, 02:23:27 PM »
I was lucky to be able to get into 770 this morning.

There were 10 numbered "seats" probably 20 feet apart from each other, each with a face mask, gloves and a box of tissues.

#1 was at the main omud, had a face mask and gloves, but no box of tissues.




This  isn't the main omud


After accounting for the Gabbay and the few that help control the situation, there are only a few more who are allowed in by גורל or other merits. For example, this morning there was a bar-mitzvah bochur there, his father and one grandfather were allowed in. Another grandfather initially came in, but was told to go out despite sitting far away from everyone else.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2365 on: May 24, 2020, 02:23:30 PM »
Alta yidden arois fin di mikva! You don't belong here!
I am sure that all of the yesomim we raised money for appreciated that attitude immensely and will be forever grateful for your taking this so seriously.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2366 on: May 24, 2020, 02:24:04 PM »
Who said they were exposed to a super-spreader?

Where do you draw the line? Did you see the quote (paraphrased) I posted from Lloyd Blankfein? Are you going to keep all the strict restrictions across the board until there's a safe vaccine widely available? Are you going to leave anything to the רבש"ע.

Just this past Shabbos I came across the following (I will try to find the original, which is probably in Yiddish, and post, it is from סעודת ליל אחש"פ ה'תש"ג):



ETA: Here's the original (highlight added):



To read in context, see: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38572&st=&pgnum=112
« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 02:30:34 PM by ExGingi »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2367 on: May 24, 2020, 02:24:20 PM »
Exactly.

That's why things like פרוזבול and בעל חוב בבינונית were done שלא תנעול דלת בפני לווין.

If you go to the most extreme measures, it will end up backfiring. Keeping extreme restrictions in place, when it doesn't seem to make any sense to the masses, will backfire in a way that all restrictions will be ignored. Allowing sensible reopening, shul crowd control (someone mentioned fire regulations - use a similar measure and put a "COVID-19 Marshal" in charge), making hand sanitizers, tissues, papertowels and even face shields readily available, will go much further than across the board bans!

What percentage of NYC shuls do you think will actually follow safety measures? I'm a straight up am haaretz. But I believe there's basis in halacha for not opening a door to dangerous things when you know that many, if not most, will not follow the rules.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2368 on: May 24, 2020, 02:25:18 PM »
Where do you draw the line? Did you see the quote (paraphrased) I posted from Lloyd Blankfein? Are you going to keep all the strict restrictions across the board until there's a safe vaccine widely available? Are you going to leave anything to the רבש"ע.

Just this past Shabbos I came across the following (I will try to find the original, which is probably in Yiddish, and post, it is from סעודת ליל אחש"פ ה'תש"ג):


I didn't say that. For one, the risk of outdoor spread with masks is very small.
But seems like many places have gone right back to normal. How many reports are there of people actually keeping restrictions?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2369 on: May 24, 2020, 02:25:35 PM »
a packed shul with no restrictions with a Kiddush etc.

IMHO that is a DIRECT result of excessive restrictions going on for too long.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2370 on: May 24, 2020, 02:26:17 PM »
IMHO that is a DIRECT result of excessive restrictions going on for too long.
-1. Humans are blessed with an amazing ability to forget and be complacent.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2371 on: May 24, 2020, 02:26:46 PM »
IMHO that is a DIRECT result of excessive restrictions going on for too long.
More like a direct result of stupidity.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2372 on: May 24, 2020, 02:26:56 PM »
IMHO that is a DIRECT result of excessive restrictions going on for too long.
Also something I've said here, but as much as some have made fun of it, it really does seem that there are those for whom the Kiddush is what they miss most.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2373 on: May 24, 2020, 02:27:47 PM »
More like a direct result of stupidity.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2374 on: May 24, 2020, 02:28:26 PM »
Also something I've said here, but as much as some have made fun of it, it really does seem that there are those for whom the Kiddush is what they miss most.
No doubt about it.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2375 on: May 24, 2020, 02:29:00 PM »
I didn't say that. For one, the risk of outdoor spread with masks is very small.
But seems like many places have gone right back to normal. How many reports are there of people actually keeping restrictions?

Plenty of Shuls kept the rules to a T. Some did allow a few more than 10, after clearing with police.

ETA:
Chaim Berlin in Brooklyn had a guard who checked people against a list.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2376 on: May 24, 2020, 02:31:31 PM »
I think the problem lies in lack of leadership. Lots of shuls in Lakewood don't have a rabbi, or even if they do, not a rabbi that's taking it seriously. Compare that to Brooklyn or Queens, or to a shul that is run by a board of educated laymen.
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Re: Re: So How Was Your Shul This Week?
« Reply #2377 on: May 24, 2020, 02:32:12 PM »
Bergen County (Rcbc) projected minyan resumption date is 6/4.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2378 on: May 24, 2020, 02:33:04 PM »
Plenty of Shuls kept the rules to a T. Some did allow a few more than 10, after clearing with police.
Hence, many.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2379 on: May 24, 2020, 02:35:03 PM »
Hence, many.
I think the common denominator is someone at the top who's taking it seriously. Look at how it's working out OOT.
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