Corona virus and your shul

[Shmobaum]

Anything works better than NY's ridiculous 10 people rule.

Wait till these lib dems are thrown out for good!!! Everyone is fed up!!

[Sam Finkelstein]

Wait till these lib dems are thrown out for good!!! Everyone is fed up!!

Not holding my breath.

[ExGingi]

Wait till these lib dems are thrown out for good!!! Everyone is fed up!!

That will be when we will see the גאולה האמיתית והשלימה, though at that point we don't really care about lib dems ...

[Kobe Bryant]

Can you please stop playing this card? Can you stop with the yesomim eye staring? We all don't want people to die. If you think you're any more sensitive to that than anyone else, you're most likely definitely wrong.

FTFY
I can't understand why this even needs to be said on a forum like this...(unfortunately i think it does).
If we can all agree on this premise, and have an intellectually honest conversation, we will get much further....

Sure. I use it because you have guys like @Kobe bryent calling for everything to return to normal and "just lock up the at risk people."

This is repulsive!!!
I make a point that "everyone here definitely don't want people to die, no matter their opinion" and you respond by firstly making a false claim that i want everything to return back to normal (citation needed) and then proceed to do exactly that which we are decrying.
This is nothing more than standing on the graves of all those who have succumbed to this dreadful plague.   

[Yehuda57]

This is nothing more than standing on the graves of all those who have succumbed to this dreadful plague.

Nice try, Ben wannabe 

[Kobe Bryant]

Nice try, Ben wannabe 

FDCAYF

[avromie7]

This is repulsive!!!
I make a point that "everyone here definitely don't want people to die, no matter their opinion" and you respond by firstly making a false claim that i want everything to return back to normal (citation needed) and then proceed to do exactly that which we are decrying.
This is nothing more than standing on the graves of all those who have succumbed to this dreadful plague.

This has been bothering me for some time, there are some here who love assuming ill intent. The idea that someone can think rationally and still care about loss of life is something they don't seem to comprehend. The idea that there can possibly be repercussions caused by lockdown is considered a conspiracy theory.

[Dan]

. The idea that there can possibly be repercussions caused by lockdown is considered a conspiracy theory.

Straw man. You're better than that.

[avromie7]

Straw man. You're better than that.

What else would you call this?

Puh-leaze. Can you stop hiding behind other people's anxiety? This isn't about saving other people's mental health. You just don't think this is a pandemic or any bigger risk than driving a car. That's as far as this argument goes. It's not even the flu, it's the common cold. Just life as usual.

[S209]

What else would you call this?

You outright said anybody young worried about the virus now should be on anxiety meds. Then you heard some unverified news about there possibly being a rise in anxiety meds and got very concerned. Funny, I don’t notice you commenting how concerned you were about the deaths as they’ve been piling up. Those are actually verified and proven. Oh, and they’re DEATHS.

I call it straw man.

[Lurker]

This has been bothering me for some time, there are some here who love assuming ill intent. The idea that someone can think rationally and still care about loss of life is something they don't seem to comprehend. The idea that there can possibly be repercussions caused by lockdown is considered a conspiracy theory.

I'm going to address this one first. Here's my first post related to Covid on March 20:

Something conspicuously missing from all the Covid-19 coverage is the effect on the addiction and recovery communities. For addicts, the fear is just another reason to use, and every drug transaction or interaction is making sure they all get infected. I'm pretty sure the immunocompromisation rate in that world is staggering. For those in recovery, meetings are cancelled. Stress and triggers are everywhere. Religious mentors, sponsors, and sober friends aren't readily available. Overdose percentages go up for a relapse versus regular use. Between the overdoses and virus fatalities, the death rate in these vulnerable communities will make senior citizens feel safe.

Please, please, please - if you know someone who deals with addiction, whether active or in recovery, reach out and make sure they are ok.

Stop talking to me about at-risk populations when all you want to do is get back to normal. This has been discussed before. You can't have a conversation about the mental health costs of staying at home unless you are willing to talk about the mental health costs of an out-of-control pandemic and massive loss of life. Until you can prove one is greater than the other, it's a wash. You have an argument based on science that backs what you want? Bring it.

[Dan]

Stop talking to me about at-risk populations when all you want to do is get back to normal. This has been discussed before. You can't have a conversation about the mental health costs of staying at home unless you are willing to talk about the mental health costs of an out-of-control pandemic and massive loss of life. Until you can prove one is greater than the other, it's a wash. You have an argument based on science that backs what you want? Bring it.

Reminds me of people saying that countries were killing their tourist industry by closing down borders early.
As if the pandemic itself wouldn't kill the tourist industry...

[yaakov35]

Let's what happens...

[yelped]

Let's what happens...

Wrong thread.

[yaakov35]

Wrong thread.

Umm how? Thats literally what the thread title says. Its about corona and shul. Don't think anything would be more befitting

[yelped]

Umm how? Thats literally what the thread title says. Its about corona and shul. Don't think anything would be more befitting

Yeah, I was just making a point.

This one: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115005.0

[avromie7]

I'm going to address this one first. Here's my first post related to Covid on March 20:

Understood. Although my post wasn't directed at you specifically.

Stop talking to me about at-risk populations when all you want to do is get back to normal. This has been discussed before. You can't have a conversation about the mental health costs of staying at home unless you are willing to talk about the mental health costs of an out-of-control pandemic and massive loss of life. Until you can prove one is greater than the other, it's a wash. You have an argument based on science that backs what you want? Bring it.

I'm all for keeping some restrictions, I have an issue with the slow drip we see in NJ and other places. I still believe there is some balance where we can mitigate the effects of a second wave (limit big events and protect the vulnerable) as well as open up everything else, at this point I think we should go straight to that without all the baby steps in the middle.

[etech0]

Motorcycle, car, and bike shops last week. Campgrounds this week. Who knows what'll be next!

[S209]

Understood. Although my post wasn't directed at you specifically.
 I'm all for keeping some restrictions, I have an issue with the slow drip we see in NJ and other places. I still believe there is some balance where we can mitigate the effects of a second wave (limit big events and protect the vulnerable) as well as open up everything else, at this point I think we should go straight to that without all the baby steps in the middle.

I disagree with you about the concept of steps as it is a good way to see what restrictions are key but agreed about the rest. This arbitrary drip drip is bonkers.

[etech0]

I disagree with you about the steps as it is a good way to see what restrictions are key but agreed about the rest

The steps should be based on how much / what type of exposure is involved, and perhaps bearing in mind how many people are affected by their closure. Not by throwing darts at a board to choose random industries.