Corona virus and your shul

[aygart]

If we will have CV a second wave in the fall will that be a result of no social distancing now, or will it be like the flu a new strain?

Is there any reason to believe that the second waves of flu pandemics were due to new strains?

[avromie7]

The most we can estimate is 20% in NYC (lower in less dense areas), which is pretty generous considering they only sampled grocery store shoppers.

Keep in mind (for good or for bad), the areas with a higher rate of antibodies are also the areas at higher risk of rapid spread. For example The Bronx is at 27.6% while the other 4 boroughs are between 17.3%-19.2%.

I was told the NY antibody study didn't include people who tested positive, but I haven't seen any evidence one way or the other. If anyone has please post.

[iwlw2]

Sometimes I just don't get us.... I definitely hope and believe that the virus has subsided from my community, and I'd even be ready to take substantial risks of my own as given my antibodies I think I am not getting or giving the virus. And certainly I was thrilled beyond words to go back to Shul for davening and learning this Shavuos, and thankful to Hashem for the gift of it happening.
However, I am quite disappointed and considerably fearful about what seems to be a completely irresponsible overreach on the reopening. When dealing with a tzibbur and the exponential multiplication of risk of re-opening shuls etc. can anyone say with absolute certainty that they are ready to shoulder the responsibility for what might happen? Can anyone definitively say it is absolutely over?
Would it really have been that onerous even given what we believe about the virus waning, to have instituted reopening with some modicum of safety measures, first and foremost requiring everyone to wear a mask? I get that it's uncomfortable to daven in a mask, but even assuming the risk is minute would it not be prudent to go a long way towards ameliorating that by making everyone wear one?
And then the Shul (which just 2 days ago was talking about stringent social distancing and limiting the amount of people who could come, which of course never materialized in practice) goes and has a Neilas Hachag...... I know everyone wants to get back to normal as soon as possible, and maybe minyanim and Torah in Shul really are essential services, but is a Neilas Hachag and the inevitable Kiddush I fear is coming next week, really essential? Even if only to show some kind of acknowledgment to the tens of thousands of Yidden around the world who were unable to daven in Shul this Yomtov, basic sensitivity would be no Neilas Hachag in Shul. Sometimes I just don't get us.... SMH

[justaregularguy]

Idk where you live (I don’t want to know pls) but where I live there are very strict guidelines for the shuls that are open and have several tents up around town doing distance davening in a satisfactory manner imo

[yelped]

Idk where you live (I don’t want to know pls) but where I live there are very strict guidelines for the shuls that are open and have several tents up around town doing distance davening in a satisfactory manner imo

Lucky you.

[Sam Finkelstein]

Lucky you.

Same here but the people in charge had to put up with an earful of complaints. (Every member was accommodated with a minyan within the safety guidelines, but lots of other things didn't go smoothly.)

[yelped]

Same here but the people in charge had to put up with an earful of complaints. (Every member was accommodated with a minyan within the safety guidelines, but lots of other things didn't go smoothly.)

I could imagine. It's not easy to deal with everyone, especially if they're blind to reason.

[Sam Finkelstein]

I could imagine. It's not easy to deal with everyone, especially if they're blind to reason.

No one was challenging the rules. It was more about logistics, as not every minyan ran so smoothly with the transferring Sifrei Torah, etc.

[aygart]

Lucky you.

+1

[yelped]

No one was challenging the rules. It was more about logistics, as not every minyan ran so smoothly with the transferring Sifrei Torah, etc.

That's great! Things can always be figured out if there is a will.

[aygart]

My chavrusa showed me this GRA on Rus which seems very apropos to this thread.
On 1:18

[Yard sale]

My chavrusa showed me this GRA on Rus which seems very apropos to this thread.
On 1:18

If I remember correctly they say over that the first time Rav Chaim Volozhin suggested to his Rebbe that he start a yeshiva the Gra responded in the negative. Sometime later he mentioned it again and the Gra told him it was a good thing. He asked the Gra why he hadn’t approved of it the first time and he answered the first time you came very excited and raring to go so I was worried it was עצת היצר. This time you can with a calm calculated approach I knew it is a good thing and you should go ahead.

[Yonah]

I think that every shul in America should look at the events of the past few days, and decide that we're going to hold a prayer vigil.

One prayer vigil isn't enough, we must do it 3 times day, every day. We can gladly do it outdoors, with masks, and with social distancing, and we won't have nearly as many people and be far more peaceful and social distance compliant than many of the other protests/rallies/vigils that have taken place in the last few days.

We can even coordinate in advance with the police and invite them to join us.

Who's with me?

[stooges44]

I think that every shul in America should look at the events of the past few days, and decide that we're going to hold a prayer vigil.

One prayer vigil isn't enough, we must do it 3 times day, every day. We can gladly do it outdoors, with masks, and with social distancing, and we won't have nearly as many people and be far more peaceful and social distance compliant than many of the other protests/rallies/vigils that have taken place in the last few days.

We can even coordinate in advance with the police and invite them to join us.

Who's with me?

Same idea:

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[Shmobaum]

It is so doable to reopen the shuls in a way that is unquestionably safe. To ignore all danger just to have cholent after davening and the like has nothing to do with Judaism.

Cholent has shown to produce antibodies...

[cholent]

Cholent has shown to produce antibodies...

Proven false. I tested negative.

[Sam Finkelstein]

Is it true that BMG Princeton was open Shavuos night & packed?

[Shmobaum]

Is it true that BMG Princeton was open Shavuos night & packed?

Makes sense. If yes?

[aygart]

Cholent has shown to produce antibodies...

And just like that you are motzi laaz on so many yidden that they don't eat cholent.

[ExGingi]

Proven false. I tested negative.

Well, if cholent won't produce antibodies, at least it will help with social distancing...