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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3080 on: September 27, 2020, 02:47:37 PM »
So you have authority over everyone because you believe that he is a rodef?  I learned from past mistakes that you gotta listen to your guidance and let you neighbor listen to his.
But [mention]Lurker [/mention]is saying that someone else’s guidance makes their normal activities more unsafe.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3081 on: September 27, 2020, 02:48:16 PM »
But [mention]Lurker [/mention]is saying that someone else’s guidance makes their normal activities more unsafe.
ok if he feels so he should stay home

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3082 on: September 27, 2020, 02:51:27 PM »
ok if he feels so he should stay home
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3083 on: September 27, 2020, 02:53:33 PM »
ok if he feels so he should stay home
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3084 on: September 27, 2020, 02:57:14 PM »
So you have authority over everyone because you believe that he is a rodef?  I learned from past mistakes that you gotta listen to your guidance and let you neighbor listen to his.

It is not my "responsibility," nor am I calling anyone a rodef. But to sit by quietly while lives are being put in danger is not the way, either.

ok if he feels so he should stay home

These are not my personal feelings. They are the medical consensus here, and around the world. I will stay home if I feel the risks warrant it, but the risks shouldn't be there to begin with. If a rov is advising people to disregard the universal medical advice, then they should be giving the basis in halacha for such guidance. I have yet to see anyone publish anything that explains it.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3085 on: September 27, 2020, 03:48:14 PM »
Not sure if this was mentioned - Corona+ minyan is a bad idea when you take into account that many will not yet have an effective antibody response. Further exposure and getting infected with a higher viral load can lead to much worse outcomes.
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Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3086 on: September 27, 2020, 03:50:56 PM »
Not sure if this was mentioned - Corona+ minyan is a bad idea when you take into account that many will not yet have an effective antibody response. Further exposure and getting infected with a higher viral load can lead to much worse outcomes.
Had the same thought up thread.

ETA: sorry, not up thread.
I was curious about this. If severity of covid depends on viral load, while someone is already fighting covid are they at further risk if exposed to another person who has covid?

My laymen's guess is no; but I have no idea. And if the answer is no, then covid people should be indoors, and non-covid outdoors...Why is everyone doing it the other way?

If the answer is yes, then this type minyan probably shouldn't exist, even outdoors.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3087 on: September 27, 2020, 04:55:56 PM »
West gate COVID minyan outdoors now at 80+ and growing
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3088 on: September 28, 2020, 09:44:06 PM »
Not sure if this was mentioned - Corona+ minyan is a bad idea when you take into account that many will not yet have an effective antibody response. Further exposure and getting infected with a higher viral load can lead to much worse outcomes.

I asked this question to two doctors in Lakewood and they both did not have a problem with a positive hanging out with a positive. (Question was not for a large scale minyan. It was regarding my daughter hanging out in my backyard with her friend).

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3089 on: September 28, 2020, 09:49:46 PM »
I asked this question to two doctors in Lakewood and they both did not have a problem with a positive hanging out with a positive. (Question was not for a large scale minyan. It was regarding my daughter hanging out in my backyard with her friend).

2 people hanging out in a backyard is a different question than 80 people hanging out for hours in a tent. I'm not saying the answer would be different, but they are very different scenarios.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3090 on: September 28, 2020, 09:52:00 PM »
I asked this question to two doctors in Lakewood and they both did not have a problem with a positive hanging out with a positive. (Question was not for a large scale minyan. It was regarding my daughter hanging out in my backyard with her friend).

The age of the the people involved is also a major factor

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3091 on: October 15, 2020, 11:09:07 PM »


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3092 on: October 15, 2020, 11:18:43 PM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3093 on: October 15, 2020, 11:19:38 PM »
Tl;dr?

(Crazy times, daven hard?)
You would appreciate was is in the box.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3094 on: October 15, 2020, 11:22:10 PM »
Tl;dr?

(Crazy times, daven hard?)
Some of it is Rechnitz without the name calling, and some of it is to follow the rules and wear a mask. And daven and learn of course.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3095 on: October 15, 2020, 11:56:10 PM »
Who is this Rabbinical Congress?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3096 on: October 16, 2020, 12:01:27 AM »
Who is this Rabbinical Congress?
Their kashrus division is the crc in the oval, the chasidish one, as apposed to the one in the triangle which is the Chicago one. That is what they are known for, but apparently they are actually a Hisachdus HaRabanim and it's not just part of the name.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3097 on: October 18, 2020, 12:45:48 AM »
Who is this Rabbinical Congress?
The Chassidish Rabbonim in Williamsburg. It was started by the Kapisher Ruv Zatzal (close to the old Satmar Rebbe, personal Dayan), iirc.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3098 on: October 18, 2020, 12:54:33 AM »
Who is this Rabbinical Congress?
2 people with a letterhead

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #3099 on: October 18, 2020, 01:54:31 AM »
The Chassidish Rabbonim in Williamsburg. It was started by the Kapisher Ruv Zatzal (close to the old Satmar Rebbe, personal Dayan), iirc.
Office is in Williamsburg but Rabbonim from greater NY and Montreal. One head lives in BP-Rav Bick-, and the head of Kashrus devision lives in Mount Kisco -R' Hillel Weinberger. I believe it was founded by Satmar Rav, perhaps Kapisher Rav was a leading Halachic influencer.