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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #600 on: March 29, 2020, 08:07:13 PM »
Emunas Chachamim was a challenge even in Moshe Rabbenu's day. All through our history challenging times have affected peoples' emunas chachamim. Shabtai Tzvi practically destroyed it for large parts of the Jewish people. If it's a mitzvah or a value, it's going to be a nisayon.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #601 on: March 29, 2020, 08:28:00 PM »
Just want to point out before I jump out of this thread, that not everyone who calls himself a Rav is indeed a Rav, and that it doesn't work like diplomatic immunity where you are immune to prosecution. Hashem will handle all those who cloak themselves with the cloak of piety and Torah, but are not worthy of it.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #602 on: March 29, 2020, 08:59:22 PM »
What happens lo aleinu when yesomim grow up and someone tells them how the father died because the Rav didn't close the shull.


Hmm, how about that the father died because Hashem wanted it . You are letting your bitterness towards rabbis impact your view on this situation.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #603 on: March 29, 2020, 10:11:21 PM »

Hmm, how about that the father died because Hashem wanted it . You are letting your bitterness towards rabbis impact your view on this situation.

What makes me bitter ? My Rav took incredible proactive protective measures very early on.

As for hashem hidding stuff from tzadikim, so all the rabbanim who did see the danger are not the tzadikim ?

How about rabbanim meant best, they are to be commended for their dedication to Torah and yiddishkeit.

Unfortunately they got it wrong.

This generation is certainly not as great as the rabbanim in ww2 who also didn't get that right.

I have emunas chachamim.  Just not all of them.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #604 on: March 29, 2020, 10:17:30 PM »
@chevron and Charlie Kirk have the same writing style. See if you can see the correlation. (The content is not important - I reposted random tweets. It's the writing structure...)
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1244434528283717636
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1244416151347585025
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1244381083732529164
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1244359376028098560

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #605 on: March 29, 2020, 10:35:24 PM »
And all of you people bashing me I bet that if you were around in the 80's And are litvaks and didn't like what the lubavitcher rebbe said..

Man the crap I heard about the Rebbe in my youth..

Such big tzadikim all of you..

And me I'm such a terrible guy for questioning whether everything was done the right way

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #606 on: March 29, 2020, 10:53:34 PM »
And me I'm such a terrible guy for questioning whether everything was done the right way

You just dont get it.

Let me give you an example


I dunno what frum Judaism will look like the day after.. and yes I worry!!


Hopefully one where we can be more respectful of our leaders everyone even if we disagree or feel they made a terrible mistake

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #607 on: March 29, 2020, 10:54:28 PM »
And all of you people bashing me I bet that if you were around in the 80's And are litvaks and didn't like what the lubavitcher rebbe said..

Man the crap I heard about the Rebbe in my youth..

Such big tzadikim all of you..

And me I'm such a terrible guy for questioning whether everything was done the right way

People that bashed the rebbe was because their rabbi did. Is your rabbi bashing the other rabbis that didn’t close their Shul earlier ?
 
  On a side note, is it’s really pikuach nefesh  to go to Shul why are groceries opened regularly ? Shouldn’t we all just wait curb side by a store and get a box of essentials for the week ? Or maybe just eat beans the whole day ?  I’m not saying I disagree that it’s pikuach nefesh but why isn’t it more strictly enforced in all areas ? ( news reporters by the briefing today, like wth!)   

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #608 on: March 29, 2020, 10:57:30 PM »
And all of you people bashing me I bet that if you were around in the 80's And are litvaks and didn't like what the lubavitcher rebbe said..

Man the crap I heard about the Rebbe in my youth..

Such big tzadikim all of you..

And me I'm such a terrible guy for questioning whether everything was done the right way
There have been plenty who criticized and did not get the reaction that you did.

You can make your point without talking like a toilet.
It is not the link. It is the way you are talking like a toilet. The same point can be made talking like a mentch. Others have managed.

Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #610 on: March 29, 2020, 11:06:04 PM »
@chevron I must say I am really impressed with your conviction and the strength you have to go against the tide here. I really mean it. You fight with passion for what you believe in till the end. Pretty commendable!

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #611 on: March 29, 2020, 11:10:13 PM »
everyobdy agrees with @chevron, monyonim are a problem.
the question is to what level you wanna take it.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #612 on: March 29, 2020, 11:17:02 PM »
everyobdy agrees with @chevron, monyonim are a problem.
the question is to what level you wanna take it.
How are minyanim still taking place ? People are dropping like flies, hatzolah is going nonstop. Anybody still joining a minyan should give everybody there a heartfelt goodbye as there’s a chance some of them will be gone in a week.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #613 on: March 29, 2020, 11:20:07 PM »
How are minyanim still taking place ? People are dropping like flies, hatzolah is going nonstop. Anybody still joining a minyan should give everybody there a heartfelt goodbye as there’s a chance some of them will be gone in a week.
we heard this outcry over and over again.
no need to hear this again.
everybody agrees.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #614 on: March 29, 2020, 11:21:30 PM »
everyobdy agrees with @chevron, monyonim are a problem.
the question is to what level you wanna take it.
Who wouldn't dial it up to 11??? People are dying!

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #615 on: March 29, 2020, 11:21:56 PM »
we heard this outcry over and over again.
no need to hear this again.
everybody agrees.
agree. I think at this point, the best thing would be to do something outward to the general public if we are hoping to accomplish something. Some sort of emergency PSA effort

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #616 on: March 29, 2020, 11:22:42 PM »
Who wouldn't dial it up to 11??? People are dying!
How does it help to use foul language about some of the greatest talmidei chachomim of our generation?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #617 on: March 29, 2020, 11:26:15 PM »
People that bashed the rebbe was because their rabbi did. Is your rabbi bashing the other rabbis that didn’t close their Shul earlier ?
 
  On a side note, is it’s really pikuach nefesh  to go to Shul why are groceries opened regularly ? Shouldn’t we all just wait curb side by a store and get a box of essentials for the week ? Or maybe just eat beans the whole day ?  I’m not saying I disagree that it’s pikuach nefesh but why isn’t it more strictly enforced in all areas ? ( news reporters by the briefing today, like wth!)   

I have not gone into a store in 2 weeks

And personally was trying that method but man I got bored of eating the same stuff always.

For me it's rough because every day I used to go out to the coffee shop different ones and I would work from there and read from there and just sit in the window and watch people etc.

I started making coffee at home again.

I'm sad to pass my shul(l) daily and see it closed. I spent many years of my life working to get it built.

Sure I would love if everyone here pledged never  to talk in shull as a plea to God to once more merit to pray in the mikdash me'aat.

I would love to hear everyone who has kids to pledge that they will teach their kids "da lifnei mi ata omed" and "umikdashai tirau"

But yeah listen, a lot of ahavas yisrael going around now and it's great.

I really am super impressed at the guys in my shul in doing the 5:30am daf on zoom 🤣 When they could easily sleep in and watch it later on YouTube, no 6:30 minyan anyways .



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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #618 on: March 29, 2020, 11:26:22 PM »
Who wouldn't dial it up to 11??? People are dying!
#1, what can you do abt it?
#2. everybody goes out for what they seem essential. some see minyan as essential. and the minyonim I see are upholding to the rules pretty well.
The people here feel that these minyonim also need to stop.

BTW, I do not attend those minyanim.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #619 on: March 29, 2020, 11:28:40 PM »
#2. everybody goes out for what they seem essential. some see minyan as essential. and the minyonim I see are upholding to the rules pretty well.
Speak for yourself. We haven't.
Unreal to see people so maykil in sakanos nefashos. So much for being a smart people.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.