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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #675 on: March 30, 2020, 12:46:31 PM »
The study found that viral droplets expelled both in coughs and sneezes travels at speeds that range between 22 miles per hour to 68 miles an hours.  This translates to 33 feet per second and 100 feet per second.  The speed rate depends upon the strength of the original expulsion and how warm and moist the atmosphere is.  The study can be viewed at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852.  The corresponding author of the study is Lydia Bourouiba, PhD, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Essentially, an invisible cloud is created within the atmosphere (both an inside atmosphere and an outside atmosphere) that can hit neighboring people up to 27, yes, 27 feet away.
Worth watching the whole thing, but the part about aeresolization starts around the 7 min mark:

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #676 on: March 30, 2020, 12:52:20 PM »
Hey, hey. This isn't a private venting forum. I don't know where your grandparents are from or why you are so mad, but I still have Holocaust surviving grandparents and hear 1st hand accounts from them which completely contradict what you wrote above. Their situation and mesiras nefesh can in no way compare to today's "minyan mesiras nefesh"...

There was a guy from Chicago lypshitz, brilliant easy going warm yid, he used to come to Miami on vacation in the winter. This was probably about 23, 24 years ago.

I don't know where he grew up but I know that he was in the warsaw ghetto.

He said one winter Chanukah, his brother and he snuck out of the ghetto to go to the mikva.

I'll believe that, but these are different times, no one is taking away your tefillen.

we have not had a pandemic like this in 100 years and so it's entirely impossible for us to comprehend this but I can let you know certainly that God forbid in the future they are going to look back at us and history may not be so kind.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #677 on: March 30, 2020, 12:56:35 PM »
Worth watching the whole thing, but the part about aeresolization starts around the 7 min mark:


I don't know what if he's proven wrong?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #678 on: March 30, 2020, 12:57:29 PM »
I saw today so many ppl walking in Williamsburg with their Talis/Tefilin' bag... I saw more than a 100!
Saw same thing in ch yesterday, as if nothing is going around them.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #679 on: March 30, 2020, 12:58:07 PM »
As someone here once said...you need to get out more. This is what happens when religious education trumps all. You get practical ignorance to a level unheard of before. Every person that took part in a minyan during this time should be barred from shuls that were closed during this time...forever.

This is also the sad outcome of hagiographic biographies of the personages of the previous generations where stories are told of mesirus nefesh for [fill in the blank] when in fact those stories never happened or are embellished beyond any truth. The mesirus nefesh in the concentration camps was by individuals not hundreds or thousands.

The stories of the guys running under the Russian soldiers who were beating him and one of their yarmulkas fell off and he went to retrieve it.

In certain generations that was critical that they would not waiver and that they stand farm in today's generation I think it's just stupidity

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #680 on: March 30, 2020, 01:00:32 PM »
The stories of the guys running under the Russian soldiers who were beating him and one of their yarmulkas fell off and he went to retrieve it.

In certain generations that was critical that they would not waiver and that they stand farm in today's generation I think it's just stupidity
Moreover, if the attacks are on a religion, piety is understandable. In this case, it's an external force.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #681 on: March 30, 2020, 01:03:27 PM »
How are people so ignorant?

Corovidiots. FTFY

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #682 on: March 30, 2020, 01:08:53 PM »
Moreover, if the attacks are on a religion, piety is understandable. In this case, it's an external force.

That's why I've been frustrated from day one. The virus may be because of a gezeira, And the answer is not keep minyanim going to counter gezeira.

Maybe the gezeira is to close the shulls?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #683 on: March 30, 2020, 01:09:19 PM »
How are people so ignorant?
Unfortunately, they're bred to be ignorant. Missing essentials of Yiddishekeit. This should be the lesson of this pandemic. To take a good look on how we are educating the next generation. But instead they're going to bash me for saying this.  ::)

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #684 on: March 30, 2020, 01:16:30 PM »
Unfortunately, they're bred to be ignorant. Missing essentials of Yiddishekeit. This should be the lesson of this pandemic. To take a good look on how we are educating the next generation. But instead they're going to bash me for saying this.  ::)

No I am the designated bashee ;)

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #685 on: March 30, 2020, 01:19:46 PM »
It's also unfortunate that every shul in the NYC metro area should have been closed for zachor and purim as well in retrospect, but I think the Halachic imperative combined with the delay of information proved dangerous.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #686 on: March 30, 2020, 01:21:25 PM »
It's also unfortunate that every shul in the NYC metro area should have been closed for zachor and purim as well in retrospect, but I think the Halachic imperative combined with the delay of information proved dangerous.
Your point. Every one can say that...
i say we should have been in quarantine since chanuckah
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #687 on: March 30, 2020, 01:25:58 PM »
Your point. Every one can say that...
i say we should have been in quarantine since chanuckah
It should have been evident that the community spread from New Rochelle would reach all corners of the frum world in NY in days. I'm sure zachor and Purim accelerated the spread. Unfortunately, all levels of leadership failed to understand.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #688 on: March 30, 2020, 01:27:22 PM »
just trying to be melamed zchus here. i know of dozens of shuls open. mayb they r full of those post virus? i myself although im over am still locked in but my grown sons have been itching to go
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #689 on: March 30, 2020, 01:30:40 PM »
Hey, hey. This isn't a private venting forum. I don't know where your grandparents are from or why you are so mad, but I still have Holocaust surviving grandparents and hear 1st hand accounts from them which completely contradict what you wrote above. Their situation and mesiras nefesh can in no way compare to today's "minyan mesiras nefesh"...
You misread what I wrote. And I had holocaust grandparents too. What I'm saying is the mesirus nefesh was real by many individuals. Not fake wholesale whatever you want to call this. This is NOT mesirus nefesh.

it's bad enough that ur bashing a Dayan, no need for details.
I'm bashing my next door neighbor who is a roidef and should know better. The fact that he is a dayan, for me is meaningless. Mind your own business.
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