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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #740 on: March 30, 2020, 08:08:33 PM »
This is the main point people are not understanding. There is a major difference between shaas hashmad and shaas hamageifa. That’s why I actually do understand some people in Meah Shearim, they believe it’s just a ruse by the Tzionim. But who do you think you’re getting by being machmir now?

So this is a different problem, part of that has to do with being sheltered.

Again I'm not attacking anybody's way of life or derech..

It's why I read the NY times,

It's also the problem with the yellow flag guys in crown heights.


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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #742 on: March 31, 2020, 12:27:28 AM »
So this is a different problem, part of that has to do with being sheltered.

Again I'm not attacking anybody's way of life or derech..

It's why I read the NY times,

It's also the problem with the yellow flag guys in crown heights.
When all you hear from someone is continuous criticism of rabbonim and of people davening with a minyan when they should not be one starts to wonder if there is an underlying disdain for these people and not just being so concerned about his fellow jews. Do we have a cat or a housewife here?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #743 on: March 31, 2020, 12:59:12 AM »
When all you hear from someone is continuous criticism of rabbonim and of people davening with a minyan when they should not be one starts to wonder if there is an underlying disdain for these people and not just being so concerned about his fellow jews. Do we have a cat or a housewife here?

Take your pilpul and shove it ;)

If there was an underlying disdain, the mods would have banned me.... @jj1000  knows who and what I'm dealing with.

Yes absolutely I get ahead of myself.. have you spoken to wife's of doctors working 18 hours a day who don't know when they will next if ever see their husband ?

Agenda!! Oh this guy hates minyans.. spends 10 years building a shull, really hates minyanim...

I have no agenda being being frustrated, beyond feeling and seeing the pain of humans suffering .

I was very lucky that I was able to forge lifelong friendships and relationships with some of the top doctors in the world.

Their feelings, fears, emotions etc are what I project here.

I don't care if I'm being baited or mocked, it's a message of urgency I'm preaching.


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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #744 on: March 31, 2020, 01:12:14 AM »
When all you hear from someone is continuous criticism of rabbonim and of people davening with a minyan when they should not be one starts to wonder if there is an underlying disdain for these people and not just being so concerned about his fellow jews. Do we have a cat or a housewife here?

Also what I wrote that you quoted has nothing to do with agendas It has entirely to do with what people perceive is going on.

As was mentioned, in meah sheaarim they see this a clash with the Medina

Yerushalayim had many plauges over time as @hvaces42  very well stated, just read legends of Jerusalem or many other such books.

in some circumstances we are actually criticizing people who know better but refuses to listen

In other cases people just simply are not seeing the whole picture this has nothing to do with them It's just the circumstances.. just as the fire burns in them, the fire burns in me

I see the directive by hashem "v'chaim bahem" you need to be alive to do the mitzvahs

It's a mitzvas asei mi'deoraisai to do all one can to stay alive (see rambam regarding one who can save his life but instead insists on dying Al Kiddush hashem)

So that people miss minyan for 6 months and are then zoche to 60 more years of minyan.

Does that make me so terrible?

And to go to minyan, get sick and not be able to eat matza, where's the logic in that?!! It's hepech kol hatorah!

I keep getting criticized by people who claim I feel I'm smarter than rabbanim

Are you smarter than God? The Torah says "vehigadata levincha" How are you going to tell your children the story of yetzias mitzraim while in ICU..

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #745 on: March 31, 2020, 01:18:04 AM »
@chevron these ppl arguing with you gotta be brain dead... The rabbanim I know such as Rav Mechel Silber and Rav Asher Weiss all said that whoever leaves his house when he needs to be quarantined is a murderer!!! So my advice to you is ignore these wall bangers

Then they’ll wonder how come they’re kids don’t have respect for Chachomim...
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #746 on: March 31, 2020, 01:24:13 AM »
Also what I wrote that you quoted has nothing to do with agendas It has entirely to do with what people perceive is going on.

As was mentioned, in meah sheaarim they see this a clash with the Medina

Yerushalayim had many plauges over time as @hvaces42  very well stated, just read legends of Jerusalem or many other such books.

in some circumstances we are actually criticizing people who know better but refuses to listen

In other cases people just simply are not seeing the whole picture this has nothing to do with them It's just the circumstances.. just as the fire burns in them, the fire burns in me

I see the directive by hashem "v'chaim bahem" you need to be alive to do the mitzvahs

It's a mitzvas asei mi'deoraisai to do all one can to stay alive (see rambam regarding one who can save his life but instead insists on dying Al Kiddush hashem)

So that people miss minyan for 6 months and are then zoche to 60 more years of minyan.

Does that make me so terrible?

And to go to minyan, get sick and not be able to eat matza, where's the logic in that?!! It's hepech kol hatorah!

I keep getting criticized by people who claim I feel I'm smarter than rabbanim

Are you smarter than God? The Torah says "vehigadata levincha" How are you going to tell your children the story of yetzias mitzraim while in ICU..

Thank you

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #747 on: March 31, 2020, 01:40:12 AM »
The only solace I have is that this is what the gemara means - בעוקבתא דמשיחא חוצפא יסגי...

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #748 on: March 31, 2020, 02:18:02 AM »
The only solace I have is that this is what the gemara means - בעוקבתא דמשיחא חוצפא יסגי...

What, that they no longer will listen to the rabbanim?

I guess, I sure hope techiyas hameisim comes soon, we will be out of live ones

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #749 on: March 31, 2020, 07:43:13 AM »
Take your pilpul and shove it ;)

If there was an underlying disdain, the mods would have banned me.... @jj1000  knows who and what I'm dealing with.

Yes absolutely I get ahead of myself.. have you spoken to wife's of doctors working 18 hours a day who don't know when they will next if ever see their husband ?

Agenda!! Oh this guy hates minyans.. spends 10 years building a shull, really hates minyanim...

I have no agenda being being frustrated, beyond feeling and seeing the pain of humans suffering .

I was very lucky that I was able to forge lifelong friendships and relationships with some of the top doctors in the world.

Their feelings, fears, emotions etc are what I project here.

I don't care if I'm being baited or mocked, it's a message of urgency I'm preaching.
This forum is hardly a religious one, so no one cares what you believe or who you hate. But just as the non-Jews on this tread don't try to peddle their religion to the Jews, and vice versa, it is wrong to rant about rabbonim when the vast majority of this thread will get very offended by it.
That's my opinion. Take it or leave it.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #750 on: March 31, 2020, 07:57:37 AM »
Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #751 on: March 31, 2020, 08:23:31 AM »
Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !

Is this the bad humor thread? The shuls closed because the hospitals were getting flooded!!!
PIKUACH NEFESH ABOVE ALL, THAT IS RATZON HASHEM!!

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #752 on: March 31, 2020, 08:33:47 AM »
Learn and pray in your house

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #753 on: March 31, 2020, 08:38:01 AM »
Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !
I hope you aren't one of those people
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #754 on: March 31, 2020, 09:04:51 AM »
Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !
This?
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #755 on: March 31, 2020, 09:17:45 AM »
Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !
This is so ignorant and misguided I have no words.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #756 on: March 31, 2020, 09:19:36 AM »


Some are making the argument,
from the day the Schools and Synagogues  were shut ,
Deaths in the religious community have heartbreakingly soared.
Because people are not learning and praying,
they are no longer protected . !
posting stupidity


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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #757 on: March 31, 2020, 09:21:55 AM »
This?https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=114678.0;attach=34889;image
Yes !!
This is what it says .
I did not make this up .
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #758 on: March 31, 2020, 09:25:51 AM »
This is so ignorant and misguided I have no words.
It may be wrong , but you should know that there
way more ignorant and misguided things posted here.
Read some of the  disgusting rants posted in this thread ?
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #759 on: March 31, 2020, 09:27:31 AM »
Learn and pray in your house
Praying and Learning with Ten is way more powerful.
See Talmud Berachot .
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