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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #940 on: April 14, 2020, 12:40:42 AM »
Are these the leading Rabbonim in Lakewood? Anything from the ראשי ישיבה?
Yes. When these Rabbonim put out a statement like this, a statement from the Roshei Yeshiva would be basically superfluous, as they are the Yeshiva poskim.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #941 on: April 14, 2020, 12:50:52 AM »
Did you read it? Its a psak from X years ago related to the only answer to a mageifah. X being I dont know how many years ago R' Chaim Palagi lived or for that matter who that is.

Haim Palachi was a Jewish-Turkish chief rabbi of Smyrna and author in Ladino and Hebrew. His titles included Hakham Bashi and Gaon. He is likely a descendant of Samuel Pallache of 16th-century Fez and early 17th-century merchant, diplomat and pirate. Wikipedia
Born: January 28, 1788, Smyrna
Died: February 10, 1868, Smyrna

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #942 on: April 14, 2020, 12:54:24 AM »
Lakewood bans all minyanim includes porches etc.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #943 on: April 14, 2020, 12:57:08 AM »
Lakewood bans all minyanim includes porches etc.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #944 on: April 14, 2020, 12:57:15 AM »
This goes back to the original discussion in the original problem that everybody can custom here of what they want from Torah.

If something from 150 years ago fits their narrative then that's what they're going to do.

Chayei olam v'chayei shaa means nothing to these clowns!

It boggles my mind in how they manipulate this.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #945 on: April 14, 2020, 12:58:50 AM »
This goes back to the original discussion in the original problem that everybody can custom here of what they want from Torah.

If something from 150 years ago fits their narrative then that's what they're going to do.

Chayei olam v'chayei shaa means nothing to these clowns!

It boggles my mind in how they manipulate this.
its all propaganda
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #946 on: April 14, 2020, 12:59:58 AM »
Haim Palachi was a Jewish-Turkish chief rabbi of Smyrna and author in Ladino and Hebrew. His titles included Hakham Bashi and Gaon. He is likely a descendant of Samuel Pallache of 16th-century Fez and early 17th-century merchant, diplomat and pirate. Wikipedia
Born: January 28, 1788, Smyrna
Died: February 10, 1868, Smyrna
Ok so my 150 year old psak guesstimate wasnt that wrong. Lets start using the Rambams medical solutions as well. Oh we already are putting garlic in the ears and blowdrying our throats.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #947 on: April 14, 2020, 01:43:42 AM »
Ok so my 150 year old psak guesstimate wasnt that wrong. Lets start using the Rambams medical solutions as well. Oh we already are putting garlic in the ears and blowdrying our throats.

Their logic can outwit facts.. I can't wrap my mind around it.

In bnai brak they followed an ancient minhag and had a wedding in the cemetery.

I read that at least one of them got sick covid19.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #948 on: April 14, 2020, 02:00:54 AM »
its all propaganda

Ok so my 150 year old psak guesstimate wasnt that wrong. Lets start using the Rambams medical solutions as well. Oh we already are putting garlic in the ears and blowdrying our throats.

While you can disagree with the application of that psak to the current situation have some respect for the geonim of previous generations.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #949 on: April 14, 2020, 10:19:05 AM »
While you can disagree with the application of that psak to the current situation have some respect for the geonim of previous generations.
הזהרו בגחלתן שלא תכוה

The only people disrespectful and distorting the leaders of past generations are those that purposefully use words of the rabbi's to fit their perverted version of halacha

https://he.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A0%D7%94_%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%92_%D7%99%D7%90

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #950 on: April 14, 2020, 10:19:22 AM »
read
What’s your point?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #951 on: April 14, 2020, 10:28:15 AM »
While you can disagree with the application of that psak to the current situation have some respect for the geonim of previous generations.
הזהרו בגחלתן שלא תכוה
Where do you see disrespect for previous generations. The psak was not a psak for generations. It was Horoas sha'a. As was any practical application of medical advice. It is the perversion of piskei halacha from 150 years ago to fit the current situation that is disrespectful to them. 
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #952 on: April 14, 2020, 10:37:09 AM »
Jeffrey Epstein justified his actions saying that had he lived 100 years ago no one would give a hoot.

There was a pedophile arrested in Israel who justified his actions lehavdil .. said he didn't actually have sex with the boys so it wasn't mishkevey zachar.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #953 on: April 14, 2020, 10:38:13 AM »
Please stop. PC Friday is getting upset.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #954 on: April 14, 2020, 10:41:15 AM »
Please stop. PC Friday is getting upset.
Since Purim no one knows what day it is anymore.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #955 on: April 14, 2020, 10:42:21 AM »
Since Purim no one knows what day it is anymore.
I hope no one retires then since they will never know what day it is.  ;)
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #956 on: April 14, 2020, 10:42:43 AM »
Since Purim no one knows what day it is anymore.
DDF is Yom Shekulo Erev Shabbos.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #957 on: April 14, 2020, 10:45:49 AM »
Please stop. PC Friday is getting upset.
Feel free to revive the Friday PC thread, no one keeps track on what day it is anyway.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #958 on: April 14, 2020, 10:47:27 AM »
https://www.baishavaad.org/ill-prepared-avoiding-something-like-the-plague/

It's interesting to denote how these piskey halacha were made.

  Rama insists that with certain limited exceptions, no diseases are actually contagious, “for Hashem is the Smiter and the Healer,” and that is why we find no distinction in the laws of visiting the sick between contagious and noncontagious diseases.[8] Rav Azulai, too, insists that in times of plague, one must visit the sick and bury the dead. He agrues that arguing that as outbreaks of plague typically lasted several months, inattention to the victims will result in grievously unsanitary conditions. He explains that the level of risk involved is acceptable; that “Hashem watches over fools;” and that He does not place the world in intolerable situations. He recommends that one trust in Hashem and avoid sin (particularly gazing at the faces of women).[9] R’ Chaim Palagi, however, strongly disagrees, asserting that plague most definitely is contagious, as evinced by both empirical evidence as well as various comments of the Rishonim,[10] and that flight and avoidance are certainly the prudent course.[11] The Shulchan Gavo’a also strongly rejects the position of Rama, declaring that the custom is that ordinary members of the public do not visit plague victims, and only special groups who are well compensated for doing so visit them.[12]

One would have to accept based on Rabbi palagi opinion of avoidance that minyan is forbidden.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #959 on: April 14, 2020, 10:50:06 AM »
Since Purim no one knows what day it is anymore.

It's erev chag, I actually thought it was Friday. 

Reminds me of tishrey, Shabbat - chag - Shabbat etc.

At some point I went to the bank thinking it was Friday, turns out it was Sunday .