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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1060 on: April 17, 2020, 05:25:12 PM »
@KSMH do you really not see the difference between the 2? There needed to be the blanket to hopefully ensure keeping to guidlines. There are developments where the Rov became a policeman keep it to everyone only on porches. There were others where the Rov had stopped it sionce it became apparent that the porch only rule couldn't be enforced. If it can be kept to then great! I myself had joined and davened for the amud at a minyan from porches as long as it was kept to. As soon as it was not I left. The issue is where it is not kept to!
Where are we at setting gedarim in other areas of halacha? I think I'm ready to drop some of those too. Any good suggestions? If we can drop gedarim on vaddai pikuach nefesh some of the others are just chayvei krisus...meh...we can drop those easily.  >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1061 on: April 17, 2020, 05:26:07 PM »
Obviously the Rabbanim got it wrong...
What did they get “wrong” ?(using your words)

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1062 on: April 17, 2020, 05:26:10 PM »
There were definitely blunders on the part of some askonim.
Yes they went into hiding because there were no cameras around.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1063 on: April 17, 2020, 05:31:02 PM »
Obviously the Rabbanim got it wrong...
If they weren't listened to and people created in-home minyanim, they must be hoping they'll be listened to now.
Whether that happens remains to be seen.

But IMHO it's an education problem. We're taught the value of a minyan and how our grandparents had misiras nefesh, but there's not enough focus on the value of your life and the life of your fellow and when is the right time for misiras nefesh.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1064 on: April 17, 2020, 05:34:54 PM »
These threads are so freaking depressing.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1065 on: April 17, 2020, 05:56:19 PM »
This is very different than the porch minyanim that have been talked about until now.

There's a minyan across the street from me that I could join from my front porch. When some neighbors saw how it was getting out of hand, a back porch minyan was established, where many of the חששות raised don't exist. No one is on a property other than their own where they can carry on Shabbos without an eiruv. Furthermore, it is not exposed to a public street, so only neighbors know about it.

The BIL of one of my neighbors lost his father on Chol Hamoed (age 96 IINM) and asked the Rov about kaddish. He was told that he may not join this minyan, but that he could ask someone from the minyan (his BIL) to say kaddish for him.

Another block has the most influential doctor in the community participate in front porch minyan. He constantly polices it for proper distancing.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1066 on: April 17, 2020, 05:56:48 PM »
Oh “Askanim”..... I personally cringe when I see/hear that word. FECH.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1067 on: April 17, 2020, 06:03:58 PM »

You know whats a wee bit more depressing...opening this site every few hours and seeing another person in my life gone because of something that may have been totally preventable. Besides the aforementioned 4 neighbors losing parents and a sibling and the 1 neighbor who actually died today, I have 3 friends who lost fathers, 2 childhood friends who died in the last week one 43 the other 50, 2 cousins in their low 50s and more.

I dont profess to know that minyanim killed any of them, but not taking any of this as seriously as it should have been taken couldnt have been a good thing. Of course it is the ratzon Hashem...but you cant just walk around and not do any hishtadlus.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1068 on: April 17, 2020, 06:13:58 PM »
You know whats a wee bit more depressing...opening this site every few hours and seeing another person in my life gone because of something that may have been totally preventable. Besides the aforementioned 4 neighbors losing parents and a sibling and the 1 neighbor who actually died today, I have 3 friends who lost fathers, 2 childhood friends who died in the last week one 43 the other 50, 2 cousins in their low 50s and more.

I dont profess to know that minyanim killed any of them, but not taking any of this as seriously as it should have been taken couldnt have been a good thing. Of course it is the ratzon Hashem...but you cant just walk around and not do any hishtadlus.
It is debatable if you can call it Ratzon Hashem
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1069 on: April 17, 2020, 06:15:17 PM »
You know whats a wee bit more depressing...opening this site every few hours and seeing another person in my life gone because of something that may have been totally preventable. Besides the aforementioned 4 neighbors losing parents and a sibling and the 1 neighbor who actually died today, I have 3 friends who lost fathers, 2 childhood friends who died in the last week one 43 the other 50, 2 cousins in their low 50s and more.

I dont profess to know that minyanim killed any of them, but not taking any of this as seriously as it should have been taken couldnt have been a good thing. Of course it is the ratzon Hashem...but you cant just walk around and not do any hishtadlus.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1070 on: April 17, 2020, 06:27:53 PM »
Obviously the Rabbanim got it wrong...
Again?

Please keep them out!!

Everyone’s frustrated no need to bash again and again.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1071 on: April 17, 2020, 06:31:55 PM »
Oh “Askanim”..... I personally cringe when I see/hear that word. FECH.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1072 on: April 17, 2020, 06:40:53 PM »
Again?

Please keep them out!!

Everyone’s frustrated no need to bash again and again.
Gonna bash you now because you obviously dont get tongue in cheek humor or sarcasm. Read the thread before you accuse someone.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1073 on: April 18, 2020, 08:54:19 PM »
In my city there are people sitting shiva, we spoke to a rav and the local health inspector and they said we could only do a minyan outside, only 10 people with social distancing

On friday we had a shacharis minyan and hopefully it will continue

Once they have 10 for the minyan, no one else is invited to the minyan

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1074 on: April 18, 2020, 08:57:55 PM »
In my city there are people sitting shiva, we spoke to a rav and the local health inspector and they said we could only do a minyan outside, only 10 people with social distancing

On friday we had a shacharis minyan and hopefully it will continue

Once they have 10 for the minyan, no one else is invited to the minyan
Why are there ppl sitting shiva for?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1075 on: April 18, 2020, 08:59:19 PM »
Why are there ppl sitting shiva for?
(Sarcasm)
Believe it or not, people don't only die from corona

Old age kills alot of people

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1076 on: April 18, 2020, 09:00:20 PM »
Believe it or not, people don't only die from corona

Old age kills alot of people
Oh then sure, the minyan can keep going. We are looking for Corona only.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1077 on: April 18, 2020, 09:59:38 PM »
Oh then sure, the minyan can keep going. We are looking for Corona only.
In my city there are people sitting shiva, we spoke to a rav and the local health inspector and they said we could only do a minyan outside, only 10 people with social distancing

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1078 on: April 18, 2020, 11:13:50 PM »
A legal question.

Is it legal to have a minyan in a shul with only 10 people and social distancing.

I am NOT asking if it is a smart thing to do, if it is halachically permissible, if it will cause people to get infected, if it will cause aiva, etc.. I am asking strictly from a legal standpoint. (I am not currently davening in a shul nor do I plan on as long as shuls are closed. This is a theoretical question).

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1079 on: April 18, 2020, 11:17:53 PM »
A legal question.

Is it legal to have a minyan in a shul with only 10 people and social distancing.

I am NOT asking if it is a smart thing to do, if it is halachically permissible, if it will cause people to get infected, if it will cause aiva, etc.. I am asking strictly from a legal standpoint. (I am not currently davening in a shul nor do I plan on as long as shuls are closed. This is a theoretical question).
Location matters greatly in this question
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