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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1120 on: April 19, 2020, 10:05:03 AM »
I don’t agree with him on this Tucker has actually been pretty level-headed overall, even early on
Have not watched him much lately since he has turned into a condescending pr*ck. Unfortunately this has happened all to often on the left/right.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1121 on: April 19, 2020, 10:09:16 AM »
So your friend is the type of guy who eats milk and meat together, he just makes sure they both have a hashgacha first. Should rabbonim stop giving hashgachos on milk or meat??

People shouldn't blame rabonim for those who openly violate their words. Rabbonim don't have to not say something just because people will take their words and blatantly ignore them. If they iterate and reiterate in the clearest of term how the minyan should be held in manners that would make it unquestionably safe, and that it should be immediately abolished if ANYONE doesn't follow ANY of the rules, then the people who become rodfim while attributing their behavior to the rabbonim will rot in a very hot place one day.

End rant.

As a practical solution to such madness - I think a good solution is for the local shul rabbonim to ensure enforcement of the guidelines in their own neighborhoods.

An issue here was that the new guidelines were only publicized at around 4:00 Friday afternoon. This left many scrambling to arrange it even though the complete guidelines weren't understood by everyone. The publicity of this was a mess and directly led to these issues.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1122 on: April 19, 2020, 10:09:44 AM »
Have not watched him much lately since he has turned into a condescending pr*ck. Unfortunately this has happened all to often on the left/right.
And middle.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1124 on: April 19, 2020, 10:38:59 AM »
An issue here was that the new guidelines were only publicized at around 4:00 Friday afternoon. This left many scrambling to arrange it even though the complete guidelines weren't understood by everyone. The publicity of this was a mess and directly led to these issues.
Bulk of my neighborhood (no internet) didn't seem to have seen the whole psak. I had to yell at 2 people in middle of davening to follow the rules (basement people standing in the yard.)

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1127 on: April 19, 2020, 12:59:13 PM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1128 on: April 19, 2020, 01:00:35 PM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1129 on: April 19, 2020, 01:05:23 PM »
My friend joined a porch minyan after the new guidance came out from the Lakewood Poskim.

“Deep in the background could hear the chazzan screaming from around the corner, as neighbors hopped from porch to porch to coordinate and discuss logistics. Post davening all had a nice schmooze together in the street. Corona guy went door to door to try to find a sefer torah and a basement guy found a place on upstairs porch to shelter from rain.
Rule #8 is the only one we didnt break. But then again the sefer torah was too far for me to hear.”
I joined a porch minyan. We kept all the rules, had a very uplifiting shabbos with tefilla btzibur and also stayed safe.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1130 on: April 19, 2020, 01:19:36 PM »
I joined a porch minyan. We kept all the rules, had a very uplifiting shabbos with tefilla btzibur and also stayed safe.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1131 on: April 19, 2020, 01:20:40 PM »
Ok, tucker asked Murphy a "gotcha" question and Murphy responded flippently. Move on.

The real answer is courts have ruled time and time again that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to a clear and present danger. It's not so hard to say that in Lakewood (or anywhere else in NYC/NJ, for that matter), religious gatherings are a clear and present danger.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1132 on: April 19, 2020, 01:21:01 PM »
I joined a porch minyan. We kept all the rules, had a very uplifiting shabbos with tefilla btzibur and also stayed safe.
How did laining work?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1133 on: April 19, 2020, 01:22:33 PM »
How did laining work?
My minyan did not have leining

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1134 on: April 19, 2020, 01:27:20 PM »
Ok, tucker asked Murphy a "gotcha" question and Murphy responded flippently. Move on.

The real answer is courts have ruled time and time again that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to a clear and present danger. It's not so hard to say that in Lakewood (or anywhere else in NYC/NJ, for that matter), religious gatherings are a clear and present danger.

Or a compelling public interest

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1135 on: April 19, 2020, 02:18:27 PM »
How did laining work?
It didn't. We didn't have a sefer torah. (with the weather shabbos even if we had one it would have been a bad idea to bring it out).

First days y"t I participated in a minyan that had a sefer torah and only the baal koreh and family were on the porch.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1136 on: April 19, 2020, 02:53:04 PM »
Ok, tucker asked Murphy a "gotcha" question and Murphy responded flippently. Move on.
You mean like "How many times you hit your wife today"?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1137 on: April 19, 2020, 03:14:31 PM »
You mean like "How many times you hit your wife today"?

if you can count you are doing something wrong  :P

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1138 on: April 19, 2020, 05:15:12 PM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1139 on: April 19, 2020, 06:11:16 PM »
Solution?